KY denies Dutrow license; Injunction allowing runners - Page 2

parsixfarms · #21 04-13-2011, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Training horses has to be his livelyhood, whatelse could he possibly do? If you're going to take somebodies quality of living and livelyhood away then it shouldn't be a subjective process or because a couple guys dislike his personality.

What about the people who have already lost their livelihood and quality of living because of guys like Dutrow?

randallscott35 · #22 04-13-2011, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by parsixfarms

What about the people who have already lost their livelihood and quality of living because of guys like Dutrow?

See Wall Street. Same ****. Nobody is in jail who should be.

mark2061mn · #23 04-13-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MaTH716

How long does it take to transfer a horse to another trainer and get licensed by the state?

According to TVG, they asked the steward that question and they said since the horses were already entered under his name that he couldn't enter them under another name for that race.

Cannon Shell · #24 04-13-2011, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

There may be sufficient reason but what's the difference in this year or last? He broke into a slot machine like a racoon in a trashcan years ago. There is no consistency and I think that's a major issue. Now he's going to
be a scapegoat for many guys who push the envelope and I think that's unfair

Training horses has to be his livelyhood, whatelse could he possibly do? If you're going to take somebodies quality of living and livelyhood away then it shouldn't be a subjective process or because a couple guys dislike his personality.

The difference is that perhaps more of his transgressions came to light and if you lie about them you get denied a license? Pretty simple. And there is no excuse for not having an accurate list of violations. If you go into virtually any licensing office or contact the RCI you can get a printout of all your violations to attach to the license application. To not have the application filled out properly especially when he knows the heat is on is indefensible.

The Bid · #25 04-13-2011, 03:59 PM

Cannon why can't the commission pull all the violations on all applicants? It's their job to accept, deny, all apps. He had the same violations in years past, why is it so significant now? Why is it okay in years past? Let me ask to this..... Do u think if he had big brown this year his app is denied?

AeWingnut · #26 04-13-2011, 04:26 PM

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The Bid · #27 04-13-2011, 04:51 PM

Another scumbag who has a license... So why do they have them
and why deny Dutrow now?

Cannon Shell · #28 04-13-2011, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon why can't the commission pull all the violations on all applicants? It's their job to accept, deny, all apps. He had the same violations in years past, why is it so significant now? Why is it okay in years past? Let me ask to this..... Do u think if he had big brown this year his app is denied?

Do you know what he has put down in the past or put down this year? Hell he doesn't even know what he put down. It is simple, handle your business. He hasn't in the past and he didn't on this occasion.

Cannon Shell · #29 04-13-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Another scumbag who has a license... So why do they have them
and why deny Dutrow now?

If not now when?

hoovesupsideyourhead · #30 04-13-2011, 05:28 PM

that sucks 'babe'

randallscott35 · #31 04-13-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

If not now when?

After Court Vision runs obviously

The Bid · #32 04-13-2011, 05:40 PM

When.... When they have a guideline and make every trainer follow the exact same protocal, otherwise it's selective and unfair

I don't have his app in front of me but my wild guess is he's filled it out the same way each year he's applied and been granted a license. Especially since they are noting a felony from years past. He said he put it down each year, they never need any particulars and grant a license... However, this year it's
time to take a hardline?

Maybe he's had 300 positives. Maybe he's broken into casinos and banks, and whatever else, but if none of this is new why are they now
holding him accountable? I would think as a trainer you'd want something unifrom and very clear cut. Absolute rules, with absolute consequence

Cannon Shell · #33 04-13-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

When.... When they have a guideline and make every trainer follow the exact same protocal, otherwise it's selective and unfair

I don't have his app in front of me but my wild guess is he's filled it out the same way each year he's applied and been granted a license. Especially since they are noting a felony from years past. He said he put it down each year, they never need any particulars and grant a license... However, this year it's
time to take a hardline?

Maybe he's had 300 positives. Maybe he's broken into casinos and banks, and whatever else, but if none of this is new why are they now
holding him accountable? I would think as a trainer you'd want something unifrom and very clear cut. Absolute rules, with absolute consequence

This seems pretty clear cut and uniform. He broke the rules and thy called him on it. You act as though he is the first person that this has ever happened to. He has a ton of violations and I applaud the KHRA for taking steps to make guys that dont follow the rules pay. A license is not a right but privilege.

In case you hadn't noticed things aren't exactly peachy with horse racing and taking action against serial violators is a far more effective part of cleaning up the game than banning Lasix.

VOL JACK · #34 04-13-2011, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon why can't the commission pull all the violations on all applicants? It's their job to accept, deny, all apps. He had the same violations in years past, why is it so significant now? Why is it okay in years past? Let me ask to this..... Do u think if he had big brown this year his app is denied?

Haha..there isn't a chance in hell they would go through with this if it was 2008...and Big Brown was gonna be the big fav for the Derby.

AeWingnut · #35 04-13-2011, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VOL JACK

Haha..there isn't a chance in hell they would go through with this if it was 2008...and Big Brown was gonna be the big fav for the Derby.

are you saying that when it comes to favorites - they look the other way?

VOL JACK · #36 04-13-2011, 11:01 PM

Amen Hal & CV were gonna be favored.

Im just saying that THE BID has an excellent point.....that they never would have denied him a license when he had Big Brown coming for the Derby.

freddymo · #37 04-14-2011, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This seems pretty clear cut and uniform. He broke the rules and thy called him on it. You act as though he is the first person that this has ever happened to. He has a ton of violations and I applaud the KHRA for taking steps to make guys that dont follow the rules pay. A license is not a right but privilege.

In case you hadn't noticed things aren't exactly peachy with horse racing and taking action against serial violators is a far more effective part of cleaning up the game than banning Lasix.

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• [C] an official document which gives you permission to own, do or use something, usually after you have paid money and/or taken a test

If Dubb feels like busting a new hole in KY. ass they are going to bleed money, and lose a lot of respect in any court of law. Just my opinion.

Be fair:

Did they warn either publicly or privately that he was on "double secret probation"

Do they have a defined penial system?

Is there precedent for such capricious decisions?

Left Bank · #38 04-14-2011, 07:14 AM

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phystech · #39 04-14-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Do you know what he has put down in the past or put down this year? Hell he doesn't even know what he put down. It is simple, handle your business. He hasn't in the past and he didn't on this occasion.

If the Racing Commission has the ability to pull the records on past violations, then why don't they simply pull the records and not require applicants to supply the information?

That part seems like more of a trap to me than anything......

freddymo · #40 04-14-2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by phystech

If the Racing Commission has the ability to pull the records on past violations, then why don't they simply pull the records and not require applicants to supply the information?

That part seems like more of a trap to me than anything......

It's not a trap it's a capricious well positioned excuse to do what they want.