What to do now

[jms62]

What to do now that a real issue arises and our military is spread on 2 fronts thanks to GWB desire to be a wartime president. This guys ****ups will haunt us forever.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101123...20101123092327

[dellinger63]

Fortunately and ironically we don't need the military under the current administration. Instead we'll put our collective heads in the sand once again, just like we did when N. Korea torpedoed the S. Korean ship or when the President of Iran declared he was going nuclear. Or when he was going to fire a missle over Hawaii.

See under this Presidency there are good N. Koreans that trump all and we can't take the chance we may kill or inconveinance them. In other words until we have a new President South Korea is all alone. Maybe we could send some TSA agents to pat them down?

[jms62]

dell don't you think we are spread a little thin? Have we ever in history had 3 wars raging simulatenously.... What would you do considering another war will really put us at risk to defend ourselves to an attack at home.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by jms62

dell don't you think we are spread a little thin? Have we ever in history had 3 wars raging simulatenously.... What would you do considering another war will really put us at risk to defend ourselves to an attack at home.

Do you mean another terriorst attack, or a physical Pearl Harbor military style invasion/attack?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Do you mean another terriorst attack, or a physical Pearl Harbor military style invasion/attack?

Do you think the latter is a complete impossibility?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by jms62

Do you think the latter is a complete impossibility?

I want to believe that it is, but I'm not sure which of the real threats are capable of conducting an attack like that.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by jms62

What to do now that a real issue arises and our military is spread on 2 fronts thanks to GWB desire to be a wartime president. This guys ****ups will haunt us forever.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101123...20101123092327

I thought of that same thing today about Bush. And the administration was talking about that, too, in the last couple of weeks (our need to get out so we can respond appropriately to the rest of the world), although I can't find the reference now.

As an aside, did you see where England warned Bush he might not want to go there to promote his book, considering he admitted in the book he approved something defined internationally as torture and there would be threat of arrest?

If the GOP blocks the START treaty for political hay as it looks like they will, we're completely screwed as far as international respect goes. Russia doesn't worry me, and China really neither - but yeah, you get a North Korea pushing the edge and there it is.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

I thought of that same thing today about Bush.

I think that must be what Obama is thinking about as well.....


"There are myriad actions the U.S. is discussing with allies, including action at the United Nations Security Council and further sanctions. No decisions have been made yet, the consultation process is in the “initial stages.”

One possibility we may see in the coming days: more joint US-South Korea military exercises, to demonstrate solidarity and support."

So excercises and don't say it FURTHER SANCTIONS

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...e-in-comi.html

I just hope N. Korea doesn't have tape of Obama throwing a baseball

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I think that must be what Obama is thinking about as well.....


"There are myriad actions the U.S. is discussing with allies, including action at the United Nations Security Council and further sanctions. No decisions have been made yet, the consultation process is in the “initial stages.”

One possibility we may see in the coming days: more joint US-South Korea military exercises, to demonstrate solidarity and support."

So excercises and don't say it FURTHER SANCTIONS

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...e-in-comi.html

I just hope N. Korea doesn't have tape of Obama throwing a baseball

What do you think the President of the United States should do right now, Dell? Exactly? If you don't find the above acceptable, what, exactly, do you want to see?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

What do you think the President of the United States should do right now, Dell? Exactly? If you don't find the above acceptable, what, exactly, do you want to see?

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. Then let the S. Koreans act and we back! N. Korea is clearly the aggressor and our ignoring the torpedoing of the S. Korean ship is now coming back to haunt us.

God forbid we ever get attacked. I can see it now, "we are in the initial stages of consultation."

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. "

"We strongly condemn the attack and we are rallying the international community to put pressure on North Korea." - Barack Obama

"The president called on China, in particular, to rebuke North Korea. He declined to comment on possible U.S. military action, saying only that South Korea is "one of our most important allies" and "a cornerstone of U.S. security in the Pacific region." "

"Briefing reporters earlier in the day, Deputy White House Press Secretary Bill Burton described Mr. Obama has being "outraged" by North Korean actions on Tuesday, adding that the United States "stands shoulder to shoulder" with South Korea and that it is fully committed to South Korea's defense."

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. Then let the S. Koreans act and we back! N. Korea is clearly the aggressor and our ignoring the torpedoing of the S. Korean ship is now coming back to haunt us.

God forbid we ever get attacked. I can see it now, "we are in the initial stages of consultation."

Spoken like someone living in a vacum. We have war raging on 2 fronts Del, it is not a video game where we can hit reset when we make it 3 and see all the negative consequences. And if we do make it 3 is it Obama's fault that we sink deeper into this financial mire supporting it?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

He needs to come out and say we are either with the S. Koreans or not. Period. Then let the S. Koreans act and we back! N. Korea is clearly the aggressor and our ignoring the torpedoing of the S. Korean ship is now coming back to haunt us.

God forbid we ever get attacked. I can see it now, "we are in the initial stages of consultation."

we definately cant be jumping into other people's wars right now. we should be cooling tempers instead of escalating them.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2...t_11599087.htm

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

What to do now that a real issue arises and our military is spread on 2 fronts thanks to GWB desire to be a wartime president. This guys ****ups will haunt us forever.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101123...20101123092327

Seriously?

So N. Korea is now Bush's fault? The idea that the US is "stretched" too thin to respond to an outbreak of hostilities in Korea is laughable. Do you really thin that if a full scale war were to break out we would be sending anything other than carriers, planes and cruise missiles? This isnt 1965. We arent sending giant numbers of ground forces into SE Asia regardless of who gets attacked or where our troops are currently located.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Seriously?

So N. Korea is now Bush's fault? The idea that the US is "stretched" too thin to respond to an outbreak of hostilities in Korea is laughable. Do you really thin that if a full scale war were to break out we would be sending anything other than carriers, planes and cruise missiles? This isnt 1965. We arent sending giant numbers of ground forces into SE Asia regardless of who gets attacked or where our troops are currently located.

Wow.. Please tell me how you ascertained that I think North Korea is Bush's fault. And if you don't think we are not streched too thin both militarily and financally than there really isn't anything I can say. You truly think Red and Blue and its a shame because your posts are some of hte most intelligent on these threads.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

Wow.. Please tell me how you ascertained that I think North Korea is Bush's fault. And if you don't think we are not streched too thin both militarily and financally than there really isn't anything I can say. You truly think Red and Blue and its a shame because your posts are some of hte most intelligent on these threads.

You made it out in your initial post that we are in some danger because of Bush's wartime desires. This is not true. Everything that happens cant be traced back to Bush regardless of how much you hate him. The riots of the world will back your claim by saying that the n koreans are more likely to strike becuse we are "stretched so thin". Of course that is almost assuredly not the case. The fact is that we arent stretched that thin in the areas of the military in which a more convential modern warfare against a country's forces like n korea's would entail. Our superioity in the air and navy have been muted against forces hiding in caves and dressing like civilians. When we invaded Iraq (both times), the convential forces of Iraq fell in a rapid fashion. There is no reason to believe that the N Koreans army, navy and ar force wouldnt be obliterated in a few days if it came to that. Of course it won't because the Chinese wont let us. The idea that large numbers of US troops would be required to occupy n Korea is fictional because there is zero chance of that happening. The problem with the N Koreans is that they have or are close to having nukes. It doesnt matter how many forces or how well off financially we are if they decide to lob a couple of those at S Korea or Japan. Either way Bush hasnt led to this problem or created any dilema's in dealing with them any more than any other President in the last 50 years.

[Danzig]

the key to all this is china. unless we can prevail upon that country to try to tamp down n. korea's sudden enthusiasm for war, we won't do a thing. china is their big (only??) ally. if they decide to back n. korea, it'll be a problem. if they don't, n. korea will retreat back into the hole it's crawled out of.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by jms62

What to do now that a real issue arises and our military is spread on 2 fronts thanks to GWB desire to be a wartime president. This guys ****ups will haunt us forever.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101123...20101123092327

Hasn't Obama had over 1 1/2 years to try to do something? No he pushes and passed something the American public didn't want. Great job Mr. President. Keep on doing the great job and blame Bush and the Republicans like you always will do. Have fun in January when you you and your worthless Democrat cronies don't have the numbers no more.