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Old 11-03-2010, 09:53 AM
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democrats lost independants because independants didnt like the direction the dems were taking us on. not that they didnt accomplish enough. they dont even agree with what was accomplished.

dems might have lost other dems because they didnt accomplish enough. but do you really believe a that kind of Dem would vote for a republican? if anything it just made them stay home and not vote.
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:55 AM
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You're so bad at equivalents it's crazy.

What's the republican plan for creating jobs and lowering the deficit? What are they going to do that Obama hasn't done? I'd really like to know.
no, you threw out MSNBC speak that is equally as ridiculous as Fox News speak.

Ahh the republicans hate the middle class! ahh they only care about the rich.

its ridiculous.
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Old 11-03-2010, 09:57 AM
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no, you threw out MSNBC speak that is equally as ridiculous as Fox News speak.

Ahh the republicans hate the middle class! ahh they only care about the rich.

its ridiculous.
The Bush tax cuts that they want to renew didn't benefit rich people disproportionately?

I'm still waiting to hear the Republican economic plan. You must know it.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:02 AM
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"The Boehner plan would bring federal spending back to 2008 levels, excluding national-security expenditures and programs for seniors and veterans, such as Social Security. That means some big one-year cuts (about $100 billion worth, according to House Republicans) in an Obama budget proposal that totals $3.8 trillion in spending for 2011.

Potential cuts, according to ideas put forward this year by Republicans within the House Budget Committee, could include canceling stimulus projects for which money hasn't yet been committed, freezing federal salaries temporarily, or hiring only one federal worker for every two who retire."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...s-Can-it-work/


also you do realize that the rich are the same people who employ us middle class folks? if the govnt takes more of their money to waste it, will those rich people hire more workers?

or do you want all the new jobs to be government jobs?
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:06 AM
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and you know a lot of republicans are for cutting spending across the board. including military.

It is also important to look out for the future, not just the present. We cant keep borrowing and spending like we are and expect everything to be okay. We shouldnt spend more than we bring in.

Bush started this massive spending spree and Obama is taking it over and increasing it. They are both terrible presidents.

Newt should be the guy for 2012.. and Hillary is the Dems hope. She's actually knowledgable and experienced.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:07 AM
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"The Boehner plan would bring federal spending back to 2008 levels, excluding national-security expenditures and programs for seniors and veterans, such as Social Security. That means some big one-year cuts (about $100 billion worth, according to House Republicans) in an Obama budget proposal that totals $3.8 trillion in spending for 2011.

Potential cuts, according to ideas put forward this year by Republicans within the House Budget Committee, could include canceling stimulus projects for which money hasn't yet been committed, freezing federal salaries temporarily, or hiring only one federal worker for every two who retire."

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politic...s-Can-it-work/


also you do realize that the rich are the same people who employ us middle class folks? if the govnt takes more of their money to waste it, will those rich people hire more workers?

or do you want all the new jobs to be government jobs?
It's been proven over and over that rich people generally hoard money and export jobs no matter what, they don't put the extra money back into the system, but that's another debate.

That plan doesn't tell me how they're going to create jobs. It says they're going to trim 2% of the budget (according to them) and bring spending levels back to 2008 (even though Republicans constantly assert that Bush spent way too heavily too) except for a bunch of other stuff.

It's just red meat for people who hate Obama. That's not a plan for fixing the economy.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:09 AM
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I agree with cutting spending & keeping the tax cuts. It will help the private sector get out of this recession more naturally. and nobody should expect things to happen over night.

I do not agree with spending ourselves out of a recession. Dont think it makes much sense.

They need some jobs bills / tax cuts for the small business sector. Let private jobs bring this country back, not government jobs.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:11 AM
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I agree with cutting spending & keeping the tax cuts.
what do you think funds tax cuts?
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:12 AM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92equF56O8c

Now he didn't organize communities but people can relate to this guy.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:14 AM
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:14 AM
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I think they should tax the **** out of companies who export the jobs over sea's.

the dems tried to do it and the republicans shot it down.

I sure as hell dont think the republicans are perfect. In fact i think they suck. Both parties are out for their own good and not our good.

But I really didnt agree with the direction of the past two years. & the best years of the past 20 were Clinton pres and Newt speaker. Hopefully some of that can rub off on Obama / boehner
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:15 AM
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:16 AM
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I agree with cutting spending & keeping the tax cuts. It will help the private sector get out of this recession more naturally. and nobody should expect things to happen over night.

I do not agree with spending ourselves out of a recession. Dont think it makes much sense.

They need some jobs bills / tax cuts for the small business sector. Let private jobs bring this country back, not government jobs.
The Republicans have blocked numerous jobs bills and small business bills all year.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:19 AM
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I agree with cutting spending & keeping the tax cuts. It will help the private sector get out of this recession more naturally. and nobody should expect things to happen over night.I do not agree with spending ourselves out of a recession. Dont think it makes much sense.

They need some jobs bills / tax cuts for the small business sector. Let private jobs bring this country back, not government jobs.
Obama has said this numerous times, lets see how fast the repubs get it done.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:23 AM
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Obama has said this numerous times, lets see how fast the repubs get it done.
yeah but he tried to fix things overnight with the ridiculous $1 trillion spending bill that he made the mistake of letting Pelosi write.

Remember, if this American Recover Act bill doesnt pass... unemployement will go above 8%!!!

But if it passes everything will be okay!

Dems creating the feeling that it should be fixed over night.
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:31 AM
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"Bring it on: let’s watch another wave of monetary policy history crash over us as you pull out the hammer and close your lips around another batch of coffin nails – ready to grasp the first nail to drive into the soon sealed coffin of Keynesian economics and then another in the coffin of fractional reserve banking and perhaps another into the coffin of fiat currencies. Oh, it’s all the same coffin? Fine – it will go quicker that way. Just remember to save a few nails for the millions of coffins of pensions and savings: for all of the responsible people who didn’t join in on the credit bonanza of the last few decades and spent their lives scrimping and saving. Let’s devalue their savings and nuke the US currency rather than go the quicker and more just road of default, shall we? Extend and pretend is the Fed’s motto, after all. Just watch out for those new crazies on the Hill that are starting to bang on the doors of the Eccles building. Will they break in and cart you off before you’ve finished your final magnum opus – the end of the US dollar and the US economy? Bring it on, Ben: take us that much nearer to the denouement of 100 years of US Federal Reserve. There won’t be a second hundred years. The final countdown starts now. " Saxo Bank
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:36 AM
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what do you think funds tax cuts?
Increased revenue that tranfers to to more taxes?
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Old 11-03-2010, 10:43 AM
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The difference between the Democaratic plan and the Republican plan in a nutshell has everything to do with big government in that Dems. want/support government jobs, regulation, and government support for everything from endless unemployment benefits to housing and health care.

The Repubs want government to get out of the way and let the private sector do the hiring and provide benefits whether they be in the form of salary or healthcare etc. You know like it's been for hundreds of years?
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The exit polls seem to indicate that most voters want government to spend a lot more money on jobs programs while simultaneously cutting spending and the deficit without raising taxes. In other words, people are stupid and want the impossible.

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Old 11-03-2010, 10:52 AM
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The exit polls seem to indicate that most voters want government to spend a lot more money on jobs programs while simultaneously cutting spending and the defecit without raising taxes. In other words, people are stupid and want the impossible.
What's a defecit?
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