Super Saturday Stakes Thoughts

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm not really sure what good the viewing of his South American turf races would do in terms of projecting to how he might run on dirt in America.

He's also been running against south american 3yo's - which are a half year younger. He's an August 3yo himself.

Regarding watching his races, and you probably don't care about this stuff, but I liked the fact that he ran in huge feilds, got traffic trouble, still rallied and basically is an honest racehorse. There are ifs to him, but to me at least he is an interesting horse.

[The Bid]

He was stuffed a 1/4 mile, up on heels, throwing head. Let him get a clean stalking trip it'll be interesting. Apparently even south American pinheads can find trouble

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by The Bid

He's a much better dirt horse. The opportunity to win the g1 on turf had to be taken. The horse he beat promptly came back won frst leg of crown by 9 there. LAL better show up it'll take his Haskell

Based on his workouts - or his 10 length drubbing on dirt on debut?

I don't doubt he will be a fine horse for Maker in due time.

But, South American 2yo racing - as it is technically referred to - doesn't do much for me. In the win last out, he did run 0.31 seconds faster than...

Debut winner Pura Classe displayed plenty of promise in winning the Grande Premio Margarida Polak Lara—Taca de Prata (Brz-G1) by 4 3/4 lengths.

The two-year-old Grand Slam filly covered 1,600 meters (7.95 furlongs) in 1:33.56 to improve to two victories from as many start for owner Stud Farda Amiga. Bred by Haras Old Friends, she is out of Argentine-bred Secret World, by Careafolie (Ire).

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

If he gets beat by this disgraceful group - you can bet anything he doesn't run back in the Sprint.

It's either Cigar Mile or BC Dirt Mile next.

I don't expect him to get beat, but he's not going in the Mile if he wins because they have Gayego, Vineyard Haven, Regal Ransom. Truthfully, he seems an afterthought with Godolphin.......

[The Bid]

Wants long dirt. No sprinter. What's your email Doug

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I'm not arguing the ml being wrong on 'Lucky, but he was taking a shot about what I said yesterday. I've watched the last couple of Uareoutlaw's races and think he is an interesting horse.

To be honest, I hadn't even read what you said. If it insulted you I apologize.

NT

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Wants long dirt. No sprinter. What's your email Doug

Clear your PMs - need to ask you something. . .

Thanks

[The Bid]

Clear

[ateamstupid]

Good analysis as usual. I disagree with you about the Joe Hirsch though. I'm not sure what stands out about the three favorites. Al Khali and Winchester are two of the worst Bowling Green/Manhattan winners who ever lived, and the former is questionable at the distance. Paddy has two furlongs more to get and has yet to face elders. Telling and Bearpath are both in good form that's no worse than either AK/Winchester's. Never On Sunday's been a disappointment in the States, but he's got back form that would trounce these and he was the only one to close any ground in the speed-dominated Pan American. To me, Paddy is an A, and Winchester, Bearpath, Telling and NOS are Bs.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Good analysis as usual. I disagree with you about the Joe Hirsch though. I'm not sure what stands out about the three favorites. Al Khali and Winchester are two of the worst Bowling Green/Manhattan winners who ever lived, and the former is questionable at the distance. Paddy has two furlongs more to get and has yet to face elders. Telling and Bearpath are both in good form that's no worse than either AK/Winchester's. Never On Sunday's been a disappointment in the States, but he's got back form that would trounce these and he was the only one to close any ground in the speed-dominated Pan American. To me, Paddy is an A, and Winchester, Bearpath, Telling and NOS are Bs.

I don't have a good feel for this race and I think it could only get thrown further into chaos if the weather is bad.

The only knock I have on NOS is that he hasn't run in over 6 months. Twelve furlongs off of such a layoff is asking a hell of a lot. You always have to be weary about anything that has the look of a horse who might be getting rushed back with hopes of making the BC this time of year.

I thought the Sword Dancer was run at a very demanding pace for the distance ... so I rewarded Al Khali and Interpatation for being close .. and thought Bearpath and Telling benefited from setups they probably won't get here.

I basically have as unimaginative a read on this race as humanly possible...but races like this rarely go very formful - especially if its wet. I try hard to avoid these type of races even if they're big races.

[hockey2315]

DrugS don't single Red Desire. . . She can win and towers over these on paper, but I really don't think she's going to love the ground. She's a bad bleeder, though, so Lasix will be good for her.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

HOLLYWOOD:

Norfolk

JP's Gusto is obviously the best horse - but anytime a 2yo speed sprinter attempts two-turns for the first time - there is always a chance they bomb.

Using only Acaffella and Jaycito in multi wins.


Lady's Secret

Zenyatta - at her home track - against bums - at level weight. Does it get any more fun than this?

Single Zenyatta in multi wins.


Yellow Ribbon

Gypsy's Warning, Hibaayeb, and Turning Top in multi wins.

The highlight for me from the Grade 1 races yesterday. Those three horses in the Yellow Ribbon made up a $167 trifecta for $2 - and the 2 X 1 X 3 pick 3 returned $56 with Zenyatta singled in one leg basically making it a glorified double.

Pretty uninspiring betting races - but volumes could be typed up about a few of those races.