Derby-Oaks Weekend Beyers

[ibet2win]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

So what do you use?

All the things in the form that Beyer used to handicap before he came up with that ridiculous number system. You know, back when he was still picking winners. Workouts, company lines, trainer stats, pedigree, the stuff that has been around forever. The idea that a bunch of infallible humans can rate every horse in every race run every day and come up with some phantom number that indicates a horse's ability to win his next race just misses the mark with me. If they meant anything, wouldn't they lead us all to the winner and every winner be 1/5??

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by ibet2win

All the things in the form that Beyer used to handicap before he came up with that ridiculous number system. You know, back when he was still picking winners. Workouts, company lines, trainer stats, pedigree, the stuff that has been around forever. The idea that a bunch of infallible humans can rate every horse in every race run every day and come up with some phantom number that indicates a horse's ability to win his next race just misses the mark with me. If they meant anything, wouldn't they lead us all to the winner and every winner be 1/5??

I don't know which ludicrous argument to refute first, so I'll just say that using the hackneyed cliche "time only matters when you're in jail" about a sport called horse racing is akin to saying points don't matter in basketball and runs don't matter in baseball.

The other thing I love is the consistent insinuation by the flat earth figure hating crew that anyone who dares glance at any kind of speed number totally thinks every number is perfect and that figs are the only handicapping factor that needs to be considered. As if the rest of us who aren't deathly afraid of numbers don't also use workouts (really?), company lines, trainer stats, pedigrees, etc.

[the_fat_man]

Originally Posted by ibet2win

All the things in the form that Beyer used to handicap before he came up with that ridiculous number system. You know, back when he was still picking winners. Workouts, company lines, trainer stats, pedigree, the stuff that has been around forever.

You left out '1st time gelding'. Now, THAT was a HUGE angle pre-numbers.

[pmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by ibet2win

All the things in the form that Beyer used to handicap before he came up with that ridiculous number system. You know, back when he was still picking winners. Workouts, company lines, trainer stats, pedigree, the stuff that has been around forever. The idea that a bunch of infallible humans can rate every horse in every race run every day and come up with some phantom number that indicates a horse's ability to win his next race just misses the mark with me. If they meant anything, wouldn't they lead us all to the winner and every winner be 1/5??

I don't think anyone is saying that.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ibet2win

All the things in the form that Beyer used to handicap before he came up with that ridiculous number system. You know, back when he was still picking winners. Workouts, company lines, trainer stats, pedigree, the stuff that has been around forever. The idea that a bunch of infallible humans can rate every horse in every race run every day and come up with some phantom number that indicates a horse's ability to win his next race just misses the mark with me. If they meant anything, wouldn't they lead us all to the winner and every winner be 1/5??

Trainer stats have been around forever?

Define forever please.

[philcski]

what the figures SHOULD have been for Derby 136 Day:
1 84
2 80
3 79
4 86
5 93
6 91
8 100
9 103
11 92
12 92
13 75