Looking For A Compelling Reason to Pick Derby Winner

[pointman]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

Built for Pleasure would have won by open lengths with someone else aboard. Exhibit #1:

BUILT FOR PLEASURE, well out in the track while between horses, raced forwardly into the backstretch but was finished before reaching the far turn...would have certainly destroyed Grindstone with a different jockey aboard.

Case closed.

Case closed? First of all, I did not attack the poster, I asked a simple question because I could not recall JV riding a sure winner in the Derby out of a win, but never suggested that the poster was incorrecdt. I have never stated that I know everything about this game and in fact have stated many times I am just learning at this game. I cannot say that I have been following the game long enough to recall that particular ride and that is for others with more expertise to evaluate.

However, are you really suggesting that JV is not worthy of riding a top contender? Are you suggesting that you shouldn't bet a horse that you believe can win the Derby solely because JV is named to ride?

Even if he has blown a ride in the Derby, he is still one of the more capable riders out there and I know if I owned a contender I would be very happy to have JV ride my horse.

Please enlighten me as to why JV reduces any horses chances of winning a Kentucky Derby.

[gales0678]

i think if Pat Day hadn't won on Lil E Tee he would have gone done as the biggest disappointment in derby history as a jock

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by pointman

Case closed? First of all, I did not attack the poster, I asked a simple question because I could not recall JV riding a sure winner in the Derby out of a win, but never suggested that the poster was incorrecdt. I have never stated that I know everything about this game and in fact have stated many times I am just learning at this game. I cannot say that I have been following the game long enough to recall that particular ride and that is for others with more expertise to evaluate.

However, are you really suggesting that JV is not worthy of riding a top contender? Are you suggesting that you shouldn't bet a horse that you believe can win the Derby solely because JV is named to ride?

Even if he has blown a ride in the Derby, he is still one of the more capable riders out there and I know if I owned a contender I would be very happy to have JV ride my horse.

Please enlighten me as to why JV reduces any horses chances of winning a Kentucky Derby.

It was a joke.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

It was a joke.

LOL, Sorry! It was beyond my experience and right over my head, as I said I did not see the race and couldn't evaluate it either way. Even though I am no expert, I just cannot agree that JV reduces a horses chances of winning a Derby.

[ninetoone]

We are in agreement. See post #17 in this thread a couple before yours on page 1.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by ninetoone

It was a joke.

You mean Built for Pleasure wasn't the best 3YO that year????

Come on.....he beat Unbridled Song in the Fountain of Youth ( at like 100:1 ).

[ninetoone]

143-1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpTl4FIUM-0

[blackthroatedwind]

I was there.

[ninetoone]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I was there.

That's awesome.

[sdjcom]

iI don't understand your reasoning here,if anything his bad start should have raise IWR a little on your list

[RollerDoc]

Originally Posted by sdjcom

iI don't understand your reasoning here,if anything his bad start should have raise IWR a little on your list

I was thinking that a bad start like he had in the Wood in a 20 horse race prior to the Cavalry charge could do him in. The recovery and finish was great, but the degree of difficulty will be raised next month. Most likely he won't start that way again. I'm just not as confident.

[Indian Charlie]

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