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freddymo · #21 03-12-2008, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Why do you say that?

Look if she is managed well she will continue to succeed and continue to be what she is an OK west coast grass filly that when placed in a true G1 field against true G1 talent is completely hopeless...

RolloTomasi · #22 03-12-2008, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

When did Ellis get his years mixed up, and with what? Just would like to know what you are talking about...

Ellis mentioned during one of Declan's Moon's myriad of "comebacks" that he was pointing the horse for the Strub Series at Santa Anita, exclusive to 4 year olds.

Declan's Moon was 5 at the time...

ArlJim78 · #23 03-12-2008, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Look if she is managed well she will continue to succeed and continue to be what she is an OK west coast grass filly that when placed in a true G1 field against true G1 talent is completely hopeless...

you're way off on this one.

freddymo · #24 03-12-2008, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

you're way off on this one.

Will see and I have been plenty wrong before but I think this filly/mare has well managed soft G1/2 wins written all over her.. I have never considered her anything but a Cali filly who dominated very suspect competition. I expect she will steer well clear of the true G1 gals on the east coast. Shug's filly is pretty good and getting better,you have Pletchers charge who can be very good on her best days ,and who has L of Venice now?

kentuckyrosesinmay · #25 03-12-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Ellis mentioned during one of Declan's Moon's myriad of "comebacks" that he was pointing the horse for the Strub Series at Santa Anita, exclusive to 4 year olds.

Declan's Moon was 5 at the time...

Oh...I was just wondering...

The Indomitable DrugS · #26 03-12-2008, 08:43 PM

I basically agree that Nashoba's Key hasn't beaten much of anything on either surface.

Citronaide being the one possible lone exception - but that was at 10 furlongs, a little further than her ideal distance...and NK lost two in a row on turf after that.

If you look at who's finished 2nd behind her in her four synthetic track wins....

* Dawn After Dawn (She was beaten 15 lengths at 17/1 odds in her final Eastern start at Delaware park last year)

* Bai and Bai (a horse that has never won on a synthetic...and has run at tracks like Pleasanton, Fairplex, and Bay Meadows recently)

* Balance (never won on a synthetic)

* Hystericalady (never won on a synthetic)

It's really not an impressive hit list...and while the "who did you beat?" stuff can be very overrated - when she faces a Zenyatta she will have her chance to beat something of talent and promise who is effective on synthetics.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #27 03-12-2008, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

Look if she is managed well she will continue to succeed and continue to be what she is an OK west coast grass filly that when placed in a true G1 field against true G1 talent is completely hopeless...

I didn't think she ran too bad in the BC F&M Turf considering she didn't like the surface. I would have hardly called her performance in that race hopeless.

freddymo · #28 03-12-2008, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I didn't think she ran too bad in the BC F&M Turf considering she didn't like the surface. I would have hardly called her performance in that race hopeless.

really did she ever appear to be a threat to win...Rosie true talent run on anything and fire almost all the time. Let her continue to whoop up on the slop they have out west in the spring and summer save the ocassional Frankel Juddemonte.. She aint coming east of Turf Paradise.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #29 03-12-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I basically agree that Nashoba's Key hasn't beaten much of anything on either surface.

Citronaide being the one possible lone exception - but that was at 10 furlongs, a little further than her ideal distance...and NK lost two in a row on turf after that.

If you look at who's finished 2nd behind her in her four synthetic track wins....

* Dawn After Dawn (She was beaten 15 lengths at 17/1 odds in her final Eastern start at Delaware park last year)

* Bai and Bai (a horse that has never won on a synthetic...and has run at tracks like Pleasanton, Fairplex, and Bay Meadows recently)

* Balance (never won on a synthetic)

* Hystericalady (never won on a synthetic)

It's really not an impressive hit list...and while the "who did you beat?" stuff can be very overrated - when she faces a Zenyatta she will have her chance to beat something of talent and promise who is effective on synthetics.

Zenyatta is very impressive and promising. She's a big girl too. NK has her work cut out for her with that one. At least it will make things out west interesting.

I also think that Black Mamba is a decent horse that NK has beat. NK hasn't really beat much (I can agree there), but I think she is a very good horse and hasn't ever ran a bad race. She is definitely in the top five fillies/mares in the country IMO. She's got a lot of heart and a lot of talent. I can't help but root for her. She was my favorite horse running last year.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #30 03-12-2008, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by freddymo

really did she ever appear to be a threat to win...Rosie true talent run on anything and fire almost all the time. Let her continue to whoop up on the slop they have out west in the spring and summer save the ocassional Frankel Juddemonte.. She aint coming east of Turf Paradise.

She wasn't ever a threat to win in that race, but she wasn't a disgrace either. She has a lot of ability and she has only lost two races in her entire career. She always tries.

She'll come East to the big dance this fall if she stays healthy. That's the one that matters.

Oh wait, it'll be in Cali. I keep forgetting that for some reason...
They have to come get her...

The Bid · #31 03-12-2008, 11:29 PM

Zenyetta will have to beat Nashobas Key, not the other way around.

NK let Citronade have things all her own way before engaging her and ultimately running past her. She ran decent in the BCFMT and had excuses with the ship and possibly soft ground. The last race she ran I thought she made a very good showing

Anytime quality horses are allowed to waltz out to splits of 24.80 50.03 114.27 they are supposed to keep going. NK just ran DAD down on a loose lead. Its hard to knock horses like her who run an "A" race everytime they are sent postward.

Why should it matter who shes beaten, who has beaten her? The following arent a bad bunch of mares. They are the only ones to cross the wire in front of this phony

Quite A Bride, whos a multiple graded stake winner and will retire a millionaire.

Lahudood, whos a millionaire, multiple graded stake winner, and champion turf mare.

Honey Rider who made nearly 3 million, and was a multiple graded stake winner

Passage of Time whos a G1 winner of nearly 600k while only making 8 starts.

Zenyetta has a long way to go before shes even mentioned in the same breath with an animal like this.

The Indomitable DrugS · #32 03-12-2008, 11:39 PM

Freddy called her a phony - not me.

I just think she's overrated.

I had to listen to the TVG guys say that she would have been Horse of the Year last year if she had won the empty joke of a race that was the BC Filly and Mare Turf - and if Hard Spun had beaten Curlin.

I think being out West, they lose sight of the fact that Nashoba's Key was probably getting almost no Eastern votes for the HOY no matter what scenerio occured on BC Day.

Either way, Noshoba's Key has built up a gigantic reputation by beating very weak fields, running very moderate figures, and doing it with mostly decent trips.

The angle she has going for her is that she's a lightly raced Cal Bred .. and may continue to develop further.

jcs11204 · #33 03-12-2008, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Freddy called her a phony - not me.

I just think she's overrated.

I had to listen to the TVG guys say that she would have been Horse of the Year last year if she had won the empty joke of a race that was the BC Filly and Mare Turf - and if Hard Spun had beaten Curlin.

I think being out West, they lose sight of the fact that Nashoba's Key was probably getting almost no Eastern votes for the HOY no matter what scenerio occured on BC Day.

Either way, Noshoba's Key has built up a gigantic reputation by beating very weak fields, running very moderate figures, and doing it with mostly decent trips.

The angle she has going for her is that she's a lightly raced Cal Bred .. and may continue to develop further.

she is a fraud and very overrated, everyone is correct, she has beat no one at all, the horses you guys are naming, with the exception of the one frankel filly are not even stakes horses, so why even mention grade 1,2,3 caliber ?

The Bid · #34 03-13-2008, 12:04 AM

Thats the final ruling.

JCS has spoken

letswastemoney · #35 03-13-2008, 01:19 AM

Nashoba's Key beats up on dirt horses who can't transfer their talent to synthetics.

The Ladies Classic is being held on synthetic most likely for the next 2 years.

There's no reason why she can't win this race twice if she stays healthy.

Rupert Pupkin · #36 05-02-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Ellis mentioned during one of Declan's Moon's myriad of "comebacks" that he was pointing the horse for the Strub Series at Santa Anita, exclusive to 4 year olds.

Declan's Moon was 5 at the time...

That is complete nonsense. Ellis never said that he was running the horse in the Strub series that year. Someone else posted this once before on this board. I challenged them to find the article where Ellis supposedly made the statement. The reason I challenged them was because I knew that there was no way in hell that Ellis made the statement. He would never make a mistake like that.

Anyway, the person on this board directed me to the article. Nowhere in the article did Ellis mention the Strub Series. The only thing that Ellis said was that they were pointing the horse for the big races at Santa Anita. The author of the article, who obviously did not know how old DM was, then mentioned the Strub Series. The author was confused. Ellis was not.