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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

I highly doubt this. Hillary would/will be much tougher. the republicans would easily have a field day with Obama. the more he talks the more mistakes he will make and the more his inexperience will show through. yeah he wanted to look somewhat hawkish, to separate himself from the other dems. instead what it sounds like he is saying is "we should not be fighting the war in Iraq, if I were president we'd fight the war in Pakistan", this kind of saber rattling is not going to appeal to either side of the debate.

they also have him in Florida because all they have to do is run his statement that as soon as he is elected he wants to sit down with castro.

Your points are well taken. I just believe the hatred of the Clinton's runs very, very deep.
Of course at this point the Republicans appear to be very weak. That will change.

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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

I really feel Obama's intentions in this matter were twofold:

1. Separation and bashing of the Clinton's (they will become great friends AFTER the Democratic primary)

2. Show that he is no water lilly when it comes to using US force.

I seriously doubt he would ever attempt the most drastic of measures mentioned in the article after consultations with the military and diplomats. The man is not stupid. I think he will reword his statements into something like giving the US leeway into making surgical strikes into Afghanistan to disrupt terrorist camps, etc... after consultations with the various Afghan political groups

I also think people are looking for a reason to trash him and he gave them one. I think the Republicans fear his candidacy more than Hillary so they jump at a misstep. It also gives the other Democratic candidates some breathing room if they jump on this.

i don't think the repubs feared him much--i think clinton did, especially after those fund-raising #'s came out, but i don't think anyone else really did. far less reason to worry about him now. he's showed himself to be a rookie, and that's the last thing we need to lead this country.

no need to find trash btw, this guy didn't need anyone to help him have mis-steps exposed. too young, too soon in his career--and after clinton was president, a lot of people said in hindsight, he was too young as well.

Well who do the Republicans fear? Or they fear none as they have no candidate yet?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pgardn

Well who do the Republicans fear? Or they fear none as they have no candidate yet?

who do they fear? probably petraus.

did you hear that congress has 3% approval rating?

hillary is still far ahead in polls--yet most feel she has no chance in a general election. so in a way, i guess the reps only need fear themselves and making missteps.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

who do they fear? probably petraus.

did you hear that congress has 3% approval rating?

hillary is still far ahead in polls--yet most feel she has no chance in a general election. so in a way, i guess the reps only need fear themselves and making missteps.

I think that notion is changing slowly, on both sides. Some on the right are starting to realize that they can't count on Hillary-Hate as a way to get the Oval Office, and those on the left who don't think she's liberal enough for their tastes are seeing a shift.

Give it some time. We hear so much about her high negatives, yet she's still polling ahead of any named Republican, and she polls higher than a generic "Republican Candidate."

I think a year ago people thought she'd have no chance in the general -- I think it's a big mistake for anyone to assume she has little chance in the general election any longer...she's debating her way into the White House...and just wait until she gets against whichever bumbling fool the Repubs nominate. Guarantee you she will school that person in every debate.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think that notion is changing slowly, on both sides. Some on the right are starting to realize that they can't count on Hillary-Hate as a way to get the Oval Office, and those on the left who don't think she's liberal enough for their tastes are seeing a shift.

Give it some time. We hear so much about her high negatives, yet she's still polling ahead of any named Republican, and she polls higher than a generic "Republican Candidate."

I think a year ago people thought she'd have no chance in the general -- I think it's a big mistake for anyone to assume she has little chance in the general election any longer...she's debating her way into the White House...and just wait until she gets against whichever bumbling fool the Repubs nominate. Guarantee you she will school that person in every debate.

i just think there are still too many who just won't vote for a woman. and it sure wouldn't bother me if that attitude was to change! i mean, way to consider what they have to say! long way to go, i wish they hadn't started electioneering so soon.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i just think there are still too many who just won't vote for a woman. and it sure wouldn't bother me if that attitude was to change! i mean, way to consider what they have to say! long way to go, i wish they hadn't started electioneering so soon.

I just think the more people listen to her talk and get to know her, the more people's misconceptions/preconceived notions of her will change.

The early election campaign thing is obnoxious, but for someone like her, it may be her best asset because it gives people more time to listen to her and sort of get that automatic-Clinton-hating thing out of their heads. We will see, won't we!

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I think that notion is changing slowly, on both sides. Some on the right are starting to realize that they can't count on Hillary-Hate as a way to get the Oval Office, and those on the left who don't think she's liberal enough for their tastes are seeing a shift.

Give it some time. We hear so much about her high negatives, yet she's still polling ahead of any named Republican, and she polls higher than a generic "Republican Candidate."

I think a year ago people thought she'd have no chance in the general -- I think it's a big mistake for anyone to assume she has little chance in the general election any longer...she's debating her way into the White House...and just wait until she gets against whichever bumbling fool the Repubs nominate. Guarantee you she will school that person in every debate.

dream on, polls at this point mean nothing. no one is paying any attention.
if she becomes the apparent nominee the republians will start to poll better, and once in the spotlight her negatives will go up again. don't be surprised if someone you consider a unappealing bumbling dope beats her in the general election handily. i don't even think the Dem nomination is a lock for her, although its looking stronger. things have a way of shifting once actual votes are cast.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

dream on, polls at this point mean nothing. no one is paying any attention.
if she becomes the apparent nominee the republians will start to poll better, and once in the spotlight her negatives will go up again. don't be surprised if someone you consider a unappealing bumbling dope beats her in the general election handily. i don't even think the Dem nomination is a lock for her, although its looking stronger. things have a way of shifting once actual votes are cast.

She'll do just fine, there isn't a Republican candidate with fewer problems than she has. Not one. Their negatives will skyrocket once they get in the spotlight, because with the exception of Giuliani, the majority of the country (the portion that votes but doesn't pay attention in the years in between) has NO IDEA who any of them are or what they're all about.

Normally, I would think that the guaranteed schooling she serves up to whoever challenges her in the debates (really, there's not one Republican candidate who could intellectually/politically go toe to toe with her in a live debate) would make her even more appealing to voters and increase her positives, but then again I tend to forget that being intelligent and well-spoken was only a requirement for being president last century.

[Danzig]

i know she polls in the lead, as does guliani--but like jim said (and i said) it's dammed early....and her negative #'s are high too. long ways to go--and way too soon to tell. but i think obama has hurt himself, and it looks like mitt romney is doing better. but the polls have the two with the most name recognition in the lead, which makes perfect sense right now.
i'm waiting for a year from now!

i like some things hillary has said, but she is too socialist-leaning for me. guliani has said some things i agree with, but....i don't trust him at all.

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Hillary would/will be much tougher.

Ok Jim then who is it? Now you are saying Hillary has too many negatives. Edwards? Its not obama and you appear to now be saying its not Hillary. So you got a rep. winning no matter what?

Or what?

I know its early but we are discussing this.

[timmgirvan]

I believe the Dems will self-destruct at the Convention!

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I believe the Dems will self-destruct at the Convention!

would not be the first time...

Hillary and Obama are not talking.
They speak thru aides. Not hearing aides.
Rather childish.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by pgardn

would not be the first time...

Hillary and Obama are not talking.
They speak thru aides. Not hearing aides.
Rather childish.

Hillary can't talk without cue cards and big crowds obviously disarm Obama!

[johnny pinwheel]

Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I think you are all crazy. God forbid we start hunting down the people we actually need to find and instead go after the easy targets.

i agree. we spend billions on iraq for zero results. meanwhile bin ladden sits in some cave hatching the next hit! we should of put 160,000 troops on the border of afganastan and pakastan and demanded the surrender of al queda. if we didn't get them then we should of went in. welcome to iraq and the USA police department. thats all we are there, the police. its a joke and a farce. oh yeah and a waste of billions $$$$$$$$$$

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Hillary can't talk without cue cards and big crowds obviously disarm Obama!

Hillary is an accomplished, intelligent, self-confident female...no wonder so many folks hate her! She will be the next President and it will be a better world because of it. She out-distances the field in every aspect...the Republicans have absolutely nobody (save a last minute entry by Condy Rice) to match her and Obama, as others have said, isn't ready yet.

Originally Posted by somerfrost

H-I-L-L-A-R-Y Hillary is the very best!!

Woo-hoo go team go!

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by johnny pinwheel

i agree. we spend billions on iraq for zero results. meanwhile bin ladden sits in some cave hatching the next hit! we should of put 160,000 troops on the border of afganastan and pakastan and demanded the surrender of al queda. if we didn't get them then we should of went in. welcome to iraq and the USA police department. thats all we are there, the police. its a joke and a farce. oh yeah and a waste of billions $$$$$$$$$$

It's too bad that all we can hope for in Iraq is far less than we could have gotten four years ago when Iran wanted to deal. When the Iranians saw the U.S. "take" Baghdad after three weeks of thrashing the same Iraqi Army Iran stalemated with over three years, they were ready to help end the conflict. Bush passed and put them on the Axis of Evil list. I won't say he was wrong to do so but it hasn't worked out too well. On the other hand, if you put $10k into Haliburton stock five years ago, it's now worth $55k.

I don't think Obama can win. He talks about "emerging intact" after the primary/general, which to me means he's not willing to do what needs to be done. I also think the Republicans are hoping Clinton gets the nom and with the primaries basically done by early March, that's too long for her to survive the barbarian horde the GOP will unleash. I think Edwards has the best Dem chance to win because this is it for him, he's got less baggage and the only knock on him of being a civil trial lawyer will not move people against him very much.

I don't think McCain will last long. I doubt Guilaini can last either and I don't think he can win the general. I don't really care that he met his third wife while cheating on his first wife with his second wife, but a lot of people will. My guess is Hound Dog Thompson beats out Romney.

If Condi Rice is elected President, I'm leaving the country. Malta is nice.