Garret Gomez sucks - Page 2

Cannon Shell · #21 06-09-2007, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

I disagree. Wait A While is not the same filly as last year. She was empty late. Dream Rush was suspect at a mile with her running style and got run down. Hard Spun ran his race, the others were better.

Actually Wait a While is the same filly but she is now running against better horses instead of straight 3 yos

Danzig · #22 06-09-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

1st of all what were you doing betting Wait a While at that price? She was cutting back to a distance that she has never won at and the winner had the inside post and the pace advantage. If he goes head and head do you think she would have won? What other choice did he have? Perhaps he waited a bit too long before he ran at the other filly but I have my doubts that she is better than her at that distance anyway. Dream Rush had no excuse, Cotton Blossom ran huge. Hard Spun had no excuse.

but you can bet your sweet patootie porter will come up with one.

i bet he didn't like the track.

Cannon Shell · #23 06-09-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

She easily could've been the one on the lead, but Garret decided to choke her and let My Typhoon get away.

The other filly is faster...Castro was choking down the leader also

Samarta · #24 06-09-2007, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

but you can bet your sweet patootie porter will come up with one.

i bet he didn't like the track.

and I would be amazed if he ever races again.....

Can you imagine the lashing he would take if he said that again....I really hope he does..

golfer · #25 06-09-2007, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

1st of all what were you doing betting Wait a While at that price? She was cutting back to a distance that she has never won at and the winner had the inside post and the pace advantage. If he goes head and head do you think she would have won? What other choice did he have? Perhaps he waited a bit too long before he ran at the other filly but I have my doubts that she is better than her at that distance anyway. Dream Rush had no excuse, Cotton Blossom ran huge. Hard Spun had no excuse.

Chuck, those are all fair points... and Garret Gomez STILL SUCKS!
(we need an emoticon for bitterness)

ateamstupid · #26 06-09-2007, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

1st of all what were you doing betting Wait a While at that price? She was cutting back to a distance that she has never won at and the winner had the inside post and the pace advantage. If he goes head and head do you think she would have won? What other choice did he have? Perhaps he waited a bit too long before he ran at the other filly but I have my doubts that she is better than her at that distance anyway. Dream Rush had no excuse, Cotton Blossom ran huge. Hard Spun had no excuse.

I didn't bet Wait a While at that price. And his other choice was to let her run and not snuggle her into My Typhoon's asscrack expecting her to backtrack after running :25 and :50. Dream Rush didn't have an excuse after going :22, :45 and 1:09? I'll keep that in mind next time any horse folds after running scorching fractions like those.. "No excuse".. Cotton Blossom plodded past a tired horse. If one of your horses ever gets a trip like Hard Spun did, I'd like to hear you say that the horse had no excuse. Not saying it was all Gomez' fault, but he was supposed to be an improvement over Pino, and he was just as bad if not worse.

The Indomitable DrugS · #27 06-09-2007, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

but he was supposed to be an improvement over Pino, and he was just as bad if not worse.

I think the over/under on how far Gomez could move-up Hard Spun was five inches.....I guess the under won that prop?

Cannon Shell · #28 06-09-2007, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I didn't bet Wait a While at that price. And his other choice was to let her run and not snuggle her into My Typhoon's asscrack expecting her to backtrack after running :25 and :50. Dream Rush didn't have an excuse after going :22, :45 and 1:09? I'll keep that in mind next time any horse folds after running scorching fractions like those.. "No excuse".. Cotton Blossom plodded past a tired horse. If one of your horses ever gets a trip like Hard Spun did, I'd like to hear you say that the horse had no excuse. Not saying it was all Gomez' fault, but he was supposed to be an improvement over Pino, and he was just as bad if not worse.

based upon the speed of the track today I would say that a 45 second half would not be out of line for that kind of race. Especially since she was doing it under no pressure. I would say she bounced off of a huge effort last time but Andy will get pissed off at me. I think Gomez rode overconfident on WaW but IMO there was almost no scenario that looked like it would play to her advantage in that field. What excuse did Hard Spun have? He was empty at the 1/2 mile pole. Better jockeys are insignifigant if the horse is in the wrong race.

ateamstupid · #29 06-09-2007, 08:37 PM

Hard Spun's excuse? How about he was running like he was doing shuttle drills at the NFL draft combine rather than on a racing oval..

And I don't think the track was playing particularly fast. Stormello ran :22 1/5 and :44 4/5 and backed up.. Dream Rush ran about the same going a furlong further..

Cannon Shell · #30 06-09-2007, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Hard Spun's excuse? How about he was running like he was doing shuttle drills at the NFL draft combine rather than on a racing oval..

And I don't think the track was playing particularly fast. Stormello ran :22 1/5 and :44 4/5 and backed up.. Dream Rush ran about the same going a furlong further..

The track was quick
Race 1 NW1x 22.3 45.1 56.3 108.4
Race 3 Stake 23.3 46 109.3 134 147.2 (naughty NYer on the lead)
Race 4 NYbred nw1x 22.1 45.1 57.1 1.10 (wire to wire)
Race 6 stake 22 44.1 56 108.3 (fractions set despite going sideways in the turn)
Race 7 stake 22.1 44.4 109 121.2
Acorn 22.1 45 109 134.3 8 lengths back to 3rd place horse

Stormello made a big reputation getting beat by who exactly?
Dream Rush is probably better than Stormello

hockey2315 · #31 06-09-2007, 11:17 PM

Gomez really did suck. . . He looked like such an idiot in the Acorn. . . Tried to give her the patented hand ride and looked like Borel in the Preakness times a million. ..

#32 06-09-2007, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ninetoone

Jon Court in the 6th at Hollywood. Has an easy winner and smacks the shiat out of the horse in deep stretch, resulting in a DQ. Thanks Jon! That hurt!

I disagree. He cost me bigtime as the 11 was going to go by and win.

ddthetide · #33 06-09-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by declansharbor

Cut him back to 8-9 furlongs, and there isn't anyone beating him...IMO

agreed ! i thought 7-8 furlongs and turn him loose.

blackthroatedwind · #34 06-10-2007, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Sorry, just letting off a little steam, but I'd like someone to find me three worse rides in one day than his gems on Wait a While, Dream Rush and Hard Spun today.

What????

Wait a While stalked a crawling pace and was dreadful ( I bet her career is over ). Dream Rush ran well in hand and collapsed.....looking like the distance got her. Both these horses were 3:5 for God's sakes. Not Gomez's fault at all that they lost......just as he wouldn't have deserved any credit had they won.

Now, on Hard Spun.....while the tactics were probably foolish, and his best chance ( not that he had any ) was perhaps to try and bottom out the field, do you honestly think Gomez made the decision to ride him that way? Highly unlikely.

docicu3 · #35 06-10-2007, 01:31 AM

And so the question begs asking.........

What determines ,other than order of finish, what a good ride is???

It would certainly be helpful to me to understand what charcterizes a "good ride" per say. If a jockey on a horse who finshed 3rd or 4th is there an objective set of criteria that all would agree with that would glorify an effort or is it more like a piece of art in the eye of the beholder.

King Glorious · #36 06-10-2007, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

What????

Wait a While stalked a crawling pace and was dreadful ( I bet her career is over ). Dream Rush ran well in hand and collapsed.....looking like the distance got her. Both these horses were 3:5 for God's sakes. Not Gomez's fault at all that they lost......just as he wouldn't have deserved any credit had they won.

Now, on Hard Spun.....while the tactics were probably foolish, and his best chance ( not that he had any ) was perhaps to try and bottom out the field, do you honestly think Gomez made the decision to ride him that way? Highly unlikely.

I don't think it was Gomez' decision to ride that way. They replaced one rider already because they thought he moved too early. This was the plan going in....to wait and wait and wait. I knew he had no chance to win when I saw how close Curlin and Rags were to him down the backstretch. I said then that I thought Pino made the right move to try and take the race at the point that he did. That horse had no chance of outrunning them down the lane so his only chance would have been opening up as much as he could.

The Indomitable DrugS · #37 06-10-2007, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Now, on Hard Spun.....while the tactics were probably foolish, and his best chance ( not that he had any ) was perhaps to try and bottom out the field, do you honestly think Gomez made the decision to ride him that way? Highly unlikely.

The final time in the Acorn was over 54 seconds faster than the Belmont Stakes...which is obviously four furlongs further.

I guess that speaks volumes about how amazingly slow the pace was in the Belmont Stakes.

How do you think Street Sense would have faired in such a ridiculously run race?

I'm struggling with that question myself....but it would very likely have depended upon where he was placed. His turn of foot is obviously clearly superior to anyone in that field...but he'd have needed to have been very close to the pace for his weapon to be most effective.

It would have been very interesting if Curlin had won, going from a facile wire-to-wire debut winner sprinting in February, to having to better a 23.83 second final quarter mile, in a 12 furlong stake, just four months later.

I still haven't gone back and re-watched the races yet....but there seem to be a lot of interesting things to think about just as I start to look over the charts.

Rupert Pupkin · #38 06-10-2007, 01:43 AM

The bottom line is that none of those 3 horses would have won today no matter how they were ridden. I have no problem criticizing a jock if they cost a horse the race, but GG did not cost any of those horses the race.

The Indomitable DrugS · #39 06-10-2007, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by docicu3

And so the question begs asking.........

What determines ,other than order of finish, what a good ride is???

IMO, a "good ride" is when a jockey simply makes an effort to put his horse in a position to be successful. After he does that, the rest is up to the horse.

There are times when jockeys will end up in can't win type situations...they might have a need-the-lead type, in a race with four other speeds. They might be breaking from an inside post on a dead-rail track, and end up finding themselves unable to reasonably work their way outside. They might be on a deep closer in a race void of speed. When off the pace, and unable to get out into the clear---they might choose to follow a well-bet rival who appears to have horse..and if it turns out that rival doesn't have horse, they might find themselves in a bad situation.

However, in most cases, a rider should be able to put his horse in a spot that fairly suits him....especially if he's riding a tactically gifted horse.

IMO,a "great ride" is when a jockey steals a race---or does something either tactically brilliant....or works out a perfect trip in a situation where the likelyhood of having a perfect trip is slim.

ninetoone · #40 06-10-2007, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

I disagree. He cost me bigtime as the 11 was going to go by and win.

Don't we agree? I'm saying he gave a crappy ride. I think the 11 had a good shot to win also...I had the 13 to win though, and that was a sickening feeling watching the replay & knowing he was coming down.