Did Hard Spun clip heels with Street Sense? - Page 2

fpsoxfan · #21 05-11-2007, 09:13 AM

I'm a science teacher and from what I can see we have several forces at work here. There is Kinetic Energy which is the energy in a moving body, such as the wind, a speeding train, or a tractor trailer. When you are moving and one of these objects passes you, you can feel the wind or forces of this moving object. This can sometimes cause someone to take a funny step or go off course a hair. As Street Sense (speeding train), blew past Hard Spun (person or animal standing/walking/running near the train tracks) causing him to slightly alter his style. We could also get into inertia, speed and velocity, but it is what it is.

Linny · #22 05-12-2007, 11:13 AM

Watch the overhead again. It appears the SS's TAIL caught HS's nose when he crossed over. He flips his nose like they do when hit with a whip.

somerfrost · #23 05-12-2007, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by cmfhb411

Hmmmm. This all sounds a lot like: "It appears Jose's got a buzzer/battery in his hand"................

.........which, of course explains Funny Cide's huge win 2 weeks later.

Again, when I started this thread, I clearly stated that it had no (zero, nada) effect on the race, Pino didn't claim foul or even mention it...it's just something of interest.

ArlJim78 · #24 05-12-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

Again, when I started this thread, I clearly stated that it had no (zero, nada) effect on the race, Pino didn't claim foul or even mention it...it's just something of interest.

Since it is clear from watching the overhead that they did not touch, no claim of foul, no effect on the race, etc, what is so interesting about it?
Thats what I don't get.

somerfrost · #25 05-12-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ArlJim78

Since it is clear from watching the overhead that they did not touch, no claim of foul, no effect on the race, etc, what is so interesting about it?
Thats what I don't get.

At the time I posted it, I was going on the content of the article (post from another board). What I originally found interesting were two things: (1) jock cut it close and that is something to consider down the road and (2) if HS was slightly bothered (regardless of whether there was any contact) it might elevate his performance slightly making it useful when looking at the Preakness. I thought when I watched the race live that SS came over very quickly...again, no effect on outcome but something to remember...if SS does the same thing in the Preakness, it could be a worrisome pattern when looking at the Belmont. Again, probably nothing just a tidbit of info that I found interesting...what others think is out of my hands.

31lengths · #26 05-12-2007, 10:04 PM

where can i find that overhead (not youtube versions)?

Linny · #27 05-12-2007, 11:22 PM

try www.nbcsports.com

I have the entire NBC show on tape and also I may have the Churchill feed as well.
On the pan shot HS appears to bobble or clip heels but after watching the overhead shot again yesterday, I'm convinced that HS ran into SS's tail. I ride horses and have been smacked by swishing tails (insert your own joke here) and it stings. Certainly HS would snap his head back after running into a rival's tail.

31lengths · #28 05-13-2007, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Linny

try www.nbcsports.com

I have the entire NBC show on tape and also I may have the Churchill feed as well.
On the pan shot HS appears to bobble or clip heels but after watching the overhead shot again yesterday, I'm convinced that HS ran into SS's tail. I ride horses and have been smacked by swishing tails (insert your own joke here) and it stings. Certainly HS would snap his head back after running into a rival's tail.

Thanks...I have checked NBC a couple of times but can't seem to pinpoint where the overhead only shot would be. Ive seen it on youtube but they are very grainy.

I'll keep looking. I was also wondering if anyone had a podcast of the race or how I could get it from NBC to my MP3.

Danzig · #29 05-13-2007, 10:24 AM

not worth all the effort 31....i noticed hard spuns 'bobble' when street sense came in front, but in watching the overhead, there's no reason--unless as someone said, street senses tail tickled him. he didn't clip heels--maybe switched leads poorly. but street sense wasn't the cause.

31lengths · #30 05-13-2007, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig

not worth all the effort 31....i noticed hard spuns 'bobble' when street sense came in front, but in watching the overhead, there's no reason--unless as someone said, street senses tail tickled him. he didn't clip heels--maybe switched leads poorly. but street sense wasn't the cause.

Oh I really don't think it an issue since no one cried foul. I just really like the overhead and want to get it on my MP3. If anyone knows how to do this, please let me know.

Thanks for the insight.

Danzig · #31 05-13-2007, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 31lengths

Oh I really don't think it an issue since no one cried foul. I just really like the overhead and want to get it on my MP3. If anyone knows how to do this, please let me know.

Thanks for the insight.

oh ok

t'bred times has some video links on their site, but not sure the overhead would be one of them...

#32 05-13-2007, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 31lengths

Thanks...I have checked NBC a couple of times but can't seem to pinpoint where the overhead only shot would be. Ive seen it on youtube but they are very grainy....

Try viewing about 2 strides after they have passed the 1/8th pole. I.e. they are less than 220 yards from the finish. This according to decarlo on the other site who claims he can see them clip on the overhead.

Merlinsky · #33 05-13-2007, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by easy goer

Try viewing about 2 strides after they have passed the 1/8th pole. I.e. they are less than 220 yards from the finish. This according to decarlo on the other site who claims he can see them clip on the overhead.

Eh, I think all anybody's seeing is the bobble but that's not the same as clipping heels. The jock absolutely would've called foul. And how come the only place I've heard about it is online? All they talked about on tv (NBC and ESPN) was that he came in just a bit as he was going by. No attempts to find a clipping that happened. They love that blimp of theirs. Don't think they wouldn't have have jumped on a chance to use it.

The Indomitable DrugS · #34 05-14-2007, 09:38 AM

Much ado about nothing.

#35 05-14-2007, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Eh, I think all anybody's seeing is the bobble but that's not the same as clipping heels. The jock absolutely would've called foul. And how come the only place I've heard about it is online? All they talked about on tv (NBC and ESPN) was that he came in just a bit as he was going by. No attempts to find a clipping that happened. They love that blimp of theirs. Don't think they wouldn't have have jumped on a chance to use it.

No, I agree w/ you but I was just pointing out where to look in the video because 31lengths wasnt sure at what pt. in the overhead the incident occurred.