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Old 02-20-2007, 11:13 AM
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It's a mute point. Nobody is going to beat Nobiz, plubCornelio is riding his arse off. Notional is his closest challenge.

Pretty BOLD statement being made for the 3rd week of Feb. (a lot can happen in 2 months)
Regardless of Cornelio riding his ass off, he's never won a derby
But if your statement turns out to be true i hope you got him at 8-1 or better in the furtures b/c he's not gonna be anywhere near that on Derby Day


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Old 02-20-2007, 11:15 AM
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It's a mute point. Nobody is going to beat Nobiz, plubCornelio is riding his arse off. Notional is his closest challenge.
Daddy passed Nobiz in that one turn mile, after stalking. Passed and weaved through traffic like a buz saw.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:15 AM
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It's a mute point. Nobody is going to beat Nobiz, plubCornelio is riding his arse off. Notional is his closest challenge.
I have a buddy who always says "the point is mute", but I can't hear him.....
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:45 AM
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Daddy passed Nobiz in that one turn mile, after stalking. Passed and weaved through traffic like a buz saw.

You mean that one-turn Grade 1 Champange?? I think NoBiz turned a pretty good effort for his 2nd lifetime start. He clearly turned the tables on Scat Daddy last time out at Gulfstream.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:02 PM
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I'm telling you guys, I thought if Drums of Thunder would break cleanly then he would upset Nobiz in the HB. Turns out it didn't matter, Nobiz ran away from him like Reggie Bush did to Urlacher. The Colt is special.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:11 PM
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I have a buddy who always says "the point is mute", but I can't hear him.....
But if Rick Springfield had elected to use "mute" it would have actually rhymed with "cute."

But I feel so dirty when they start talking cute
I want to tell her that I love her but I can't cause I'm a mute.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:59 PM
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But if Rick Springfield had elected to use "mute" it would have actually rhymed with "cute."

But I feel so dirty when they start talking cute
I want to tell her that I love her but I can't cause I'm a mute.

You still listen to that on cassette?
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:06 PM
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I think Ravel is his best. I also like Any Given Saturday.
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:16 PM
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You mean that one-turn Grade 1 Champange?? I think NoBiz turned a pretty good effort for his 2nd lifetime start. He clearly turned the tables on Scat Daddy last time out at Gulfstream.
Daddy isn't a good front runner, or head to head. He is a stalker. Considering he ran head to head, didn't run bad. The race was a good learning one. Needs to sit off the pace setters to make a bid.
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:24 PM
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Daddy isn't a good front runner, or head to head. He is a stalker. Considering he ran head to head, didn't run bad. The race was a good learning one. Needs to sit off the pace setters to make a bid.

SD certainly could have worked out a better trip.
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:25 PM
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SD certainly could have worked out a better trip.
For sure, and he left plenty in the tank. 1st start since the cup, so he might be looking to breath hard. Who wants a horse to peek now anyway
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:26 PM
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Daddy isn't a good front runner, or head to head. He is a stalker. Considering he ran head to head, didn't run bad. The race was a good learning one. Needs to sit off the pace setters to make a bid.
You guys keep making excuses for these colts you seem to be emotionally attached to, there's nothing wrong with that but it doesn't help you at the betting window. Just think about the past Derby winners and how dominant they were - Smarty, Barbaro, Afleet Alex(he should have won the TC). Nobody made any excuses for these horses, they went out and dominated the field. I don't see that from Scat Daddy or Circular Quay. The jury is still out on Ravel and AG Sunday.
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:30 PM
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You guys keep making excuses for these colts you seem to be emotionally attached to, there's nothing wrong with that but it doesn't help you at the betting window. Just think about the past Derby winners and how dominant they were - Smarty, Barbaro, Afleet Alex(he should have won the TC). Nobody made any excuses for these horses, they went out and dominated the field. I don't see that from Scat Daddy or Circular Quay. The jury is still out on Ravel and AG Sunday.
Attached? I never fall in love.

You don't want a horse to peek now, run lights out. If Tagg doesn't send out BIZ at the Youth, he didn't come back to good. These warm ups are to get the bankroll up. You don't need to win every race, to win the derby bumpercar event
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:31 PM
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You guys keep making excuses for these colts you seem to be emotionally attached to, there's nothing wrong with that but it doesn't help you at the betting window. Just think about the past Derby winners and how dominant they were - Smarty, Barbaro, Afleet Alex(he should have won the TC). Nobody made any excuses for these horses, they went out and dominated the field. I don't see that from Scat Daddy or Circular Quay. The jury is still out on Ravel and AG Sunday.

Well, it's hard to make excuses for horses who have never lost leading up to the Derby(Smarty & Barbaro). AA, of course, didn't win the derby, and did have an excuse when he ran up the track at Oaklawn for one prep race. The jury is still out on every TC horse at this point.
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:37 PM
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Well, it's hard to make excuses for horses who have never lost leading up to the Derby(Smarty & Barbaro). AA, of course, didn't win the derby, and did have an excuse when he ran up the track at Oaklawn for one prep race. The jury is still out on every TC horse at this point.
The door is still open for a lot of colts, things will shake out after the 10th of March. If ScDy or CrQy can't win their next time out, and they will be up against tougher fields, their door will be closed. IMO.
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:50 PM
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The door is still open for a lot of colts, things will shake out after the 10th of March. If ScDy or CrQy can't win their next time out, and they will be up against tougher fields, their door will be closed. IMO.

Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending how you see it).. The door can't close on either SD or CQ (unless they get hurt) because both have enough graded earnings to get in the Derby already.
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Old 02-20-2007, 01:59 PM
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Interesting thread. You know, I can see being a fan of, or attached -- however, my commentary was strictly from a betting perspective. With that in mind -- how could you not dis-attach yourself in a nanosecond when you saw 1-9!

Even if you were a fan, and was rooting for this colt -- at 1-9 you absolutely could have and should have bet against him. Let him go off and make you look like an idiot, but that was the right play as far as I was concerned. Those are the horses you try to beat and beat more often than not.

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Old 02-20-2007, 09:21 PM
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Interesting thread. You know, I can see being a fan of, or attached -- however, my commentary was strictly from a betting perspective. With that in mind -- how could you not dis-attach yourself in a nanosecond when you saw 1-9!

Even if you were a fan, and was rooting for this colt -- at 1-9 you absolutely could have and should have bet against him. Let him go off and make you look like an idiot, but that was the right play as far as I was concerned. Those are the horses you try to beat and beat more often than not.

Eric

....or take a pass and just sit back and watch the race.....
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:24 PM
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....or take a pass and just sit back and watch the race.....

Yesterday's race at Oaklawn was one that demanded to be bet. Anytime you have a horse like Hard Spun taking over 60% of the money, when the best he possibly was was 30% to win, you must go in.

I bet, and I lost, but give me that scenerio five times a day and I'll make a fortune.
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:29 PM
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Yesterday's race at Oaklawn was one that demanded to be bet. Anytime you have a horse like Hard Spun taking over 60% of the money, when the best he possibly was was 30% to win, you must go in.

I bet, and I lost, but give me that scenerio five times a day and I'll make a fortune.
Agreed on the Southwest...a much deeper field than the Sam Davis. ( I thought Any Given Saturday was the 1-9/1-5 that ELA was referring to.)
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