MA casino lean likely dooms Suffolk (Update: Deal set for 2015-16)

[Kasept]

https://twitter.com/hashtag/macasino...ltime&src=hash

[Suffolk Shippers]

Official vote came 3-1 for Wynn.

Tough day for Suffolk, it's probably lived longer than it should have and we all know racinos aren't always (ever?) the answer. But, I am friendly with some folks who work over in racing ops and who run small strings there and I can't help but feel for them. I spent an afternoon there at the end of August and despite hitting the pick 4 - I left resigned to the unfortunate fact that the people there were living every day recently in uncertainty and it could cave on them any day.

It'll be the last trip I took to the track I learned to gamble at.

[SuffolkGirl]

Really too bad for Suffolk Downs. This will likely be the beginning of the end of horse racing in MA, along with all of the on track jobs and the ancillary jobs.

My OTTB was originally a Suffolk trainee, and it is my home track, so I have a soft spot for Suffolk.

Update: CEO Chip Tuttle meeting with employees and horsemen over the next few days to discuss winding down operations.

[Alabama Stakes]

Thanks to Mr. Mosely for bringing racing back to suffolk. He truly was A Phenomenon.

Common sense, or lack thereof, doomed them. If they had allowed a citywide vote, it would have been approved easily. They forgot that by having East Boston only, vote on the casino, they would be alright. everyone would get jobs, and be happy. Unfortunately, this is no longer an Italian town where everyone wants to work, work and more work. Its more about avoiding work now.
I don't want a casino in my backyard, except if it saved racing. Hossracing could be awesome here if they knew how to promote it. they should have hired Byk Boss Man, and racing woulda been saved.

[ScottJ]

What a very sad decision.

In an ironic juxtaposition of events, Trump Plaza, the centerpiece of Atlantic City, closed its doors at 6:00am while this decision awards a casino license to the Wynn organization. There is no doubt that Wynn and his team will do something noteworthy, but Massachusetts itself has cut the blood supply on its own thoroughbred tradition.

Many years back (in fact in 2001), I wrote an article for Hoof Beats magazine talking about 25 year cycles - at that time, it was the 25 years of the Meadowlands (1976-2001) and suggesting what might happen by watching the Roosevelt model (1953-1988).

Suffolk Downs should have received more respect from the legislature and decision makers. It survived beyond the 25 year model and had long term history in the state. It provided a renewal for Spring every year with 12,000+ in attendance. I was last at Suffolk in 2011 just before my son's graduation from Boston College. As the fog rolled in from the bay entering the fourth race, I realized so many things that made this racetrack so special.

New England has now lost all of its jai alai frontons, thoroughbred tracks, and dog racing tracks. I will never understand as long as I live the alure of one-armed bandits, video poker, and blackjack.

[Calzone Lord]

Watchmaker is having a total meltdown over this on Twitter.

After the vote today, I mentioned that it was understandable that the track is closing.

His reply: "Understandable? What a terrible choice of words."

I stated the obvious. Sugar-coating the fact that the Suffolk racing product is beyond awful.

He replies with condescending BS.

I told him "I laughed" in response to his condescending BS about how I know nothing.

Anyone with even basic reading comprehension skills can figure out that I'm laughing at him...but he goes off on a rant about how awful a person I must be for laughing at a racetrack closing and the jobs lost.

It was one of the most pathetic displays of Faux Outrage and twisting of words, that I've ever seen.

Who knew a hilarious meltdown like that could be induced simply by someone saying that Suffolk's closure "is understandable" after the casino vote didn't go their way today.

[pweizer]

Sad day for sure. The people who run racing there are good people. But, their proposal was quite flawed and the decision to choose the Wynn proposal was quite understandable on the merits.

I will miss having Suffolk here and wish the result were different. But, I am hardly surprised by the outcome.

Paul

[ScottJ]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Watchmaker is having a total meltdown over this on Twitter.

After the vote today, I mentioned that it was understandable that the track is closing.

His reply: "Understandable? What a terrible choice of words."

I stated the obvious. Sugar-coating the fact that the Suffolk racing product is beyond awful.

He replies with condescending BS.

I told him "I laughed" in response to his condescending BS about how I know nothing.

Anyone with even basic reading comprehension skills can figure out that I'm laughing at him...but he goes off on a rant about how awful a person I must be for laughing at a racetrack closing and the jobs lost.

It was one of the most pathetic displays of Faux Outrage and twisting of words, that I've ever seen.

Who knew a hilarious meltdown like that could be induced simply by someone saying that Suffolk's closure "is understandable" after the casino vote didn't go their way today.

Doug, have you ever lost a job in horse racing? Perhaps had a period of unemployment of six to twelve months? Maybe longer? Questioned whether you would make that month's bills? Even eat?

Twitter's 140-character "meaning of life" discourses are often misunderstood. While you can argue that given today's events Suffolk's decision was understandable, I believe that Mike was reacting to the fact that the decision was handed down in the first place making any thought of "understanding" impossible to believe.

As a fan, you have the right to state your views on Suffolk Downs, but by no means did I read the exchange as a meltdown.

Connecticut is now seeing reduced revenues from both of their casinos. New Jersey is experiencing wholesale closures. So too will Massachusetts experience the same emptiness in two decade's time.

Suffolk Downs, for all the $4,000 platers, does have a history - and one worth more than a 3-1 vote.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by ScottJ

Doug, have you ever lost a job in horse racing?

Yes. I had both the East Coast analyst job and assistant figure-making job at TimeformUS until the position got moved to NYC.

And outside of betting horses, that was the only full-time job I've ever had in my entire life (racing or otherwise)

Originally Posted by ScottJ

Perhaps had a period of unemployment of six to twelve months? Maybe longer?

Excluding betting on horses, Yes! And for virtually my entire adult life.

Originally Posted by ScottJ

Questioned whether you would make that month's bills? Even eat?

No. I am very tight with my money, I don't borrow, take out loans, or finance for anything.

Originally Posted by ScottJ

Twitter's 140-character "meaning of life" discourses are often misunderstood. While you can argue that given today's events Suffolk's decision was understandable, I believe that Mike was reacting to the fact that the decision was handed down in the first place making any thought of "understanding" impossible to believe.

As a fan, you have the right to state your views on Suffolk Downs, but by no means did I read the exchange as a meltdown.

Connecticut is now seeing reduced revenues from both of their casinos. New Jersey is experiencing wholesale closures. So too will Massachusetts experience the same emptiness in two decade's time.

Suffolk Downs, for all the $4,000 platers, does have a history - and one worth more than a 3-1 vote.

I personally enjoy the history of racing. And there are a lot of race tracks with great history that have closed.

Watchmaker has had a bug up his ass with me, ever since he decided to follow me. He basically used me calling the Suffolk closing "understandable" after today's vote, as his final chance to try and ankle-bite and pick a fight with me. He surely believed he had the moral high-ground because Suffolk was "his" track.

I didn't insult his first-born son (though he acts like Suffolk is that) I even sugar-coated how awful the Suffolk racing product is. But hey, I called the closing "understandable" after today's vote...and that's all it took to get him off to the races. It's a shame he unfollowed me, we were just getting acquainted.

[Suffolk Shippers]

Originally Posted by ScottJ

Connecticut is now seeing reduced revenues from both of their casinos. New Jersey is experiencing wholesale closures. So too will Massachusetts experience the same emptiness in two decade's time.

Suffolk Downs, for all the $4,000 platers, does have a history - and one worth more than a 3-1 vote.

I think we can all be frank in seeing that if Suffolk had their casino partnership, they'd basically be like Mountaineer or Presque Isle or one of the other meddling racinos out there. With possibly a cap of being like a Parx where you had a few signature events a year. It may have just kicked the can further down the road as to when it's demise was. I think everyone understands that and understands the issues with the stock that ran. But, like you said, what about those people who may be looking for ways to eat in a month?

I went to the 2007 MassCap with my now wife and for the big race, we went down to the apron to watch and a small guy squeezed in next to us, holding a strap for a bridle, turns out he was a groom. He was the groom for a local horse pushing 60-1 in the race, Firestriker. He was a small guy, no more than 5'6" or 7", maybe 140lbs. He had a suit on that was right off the rack of a thrift shop that was six sizes too big. Before the race went off he was telling us how excited he was, how he slept with the horse in the barn the night before and that maybe today was his day. The race went off and he was jumping to see it transpire and Firestriker was out to the lead into the clubhouse turn. You could see the man's eyes fill with emotion as he kept leaping up to see. After the half, the horse went in reverse, and I think finished. I turned to him and just said it was one of those days at the track and as long as the animal came back sound, there'd be another day to run.
The guy was in tears telling me how proud he was of the effort and how special he felt being able to see it and tell someone about his "big horse".
My perspective on racing changed that day, especially to the people who make the whole thing go.

What is THAT guy going to do now? I think a lot of people who spent time at Suffolk (like Mike W) know guys like that and that is why they take it a bit personally. It's not right or wrong, it's just human.