National Organization of Women v. National Football League

[GenuineRisk]

Dell, the culture often changes first, and then the law follows. Biden just gave a talk to Today about that very thing- he was asked about the Violence Against Women Act, which is now barely 20 years old, and how the culture changed first, to make the law possible (and it was ardently opposed by quite a few conservatives). First, I seriously doubt, if you look back at NOW's advocacy that you'll find silence on the subject of punishment for domestic abusers, but that said, pushing to change the culture of the NFL is probably more beneficial to the actual women getting the sh*t kicked out of them.

Likewise the NFL player just indicted on hitting his kid with a switch (I'm sorry I don't know the name; I don't follow the game of sports all that closely, other than horse racing). Chances are, he's innocent in the eyes of the law, because the law gives great leeway to parents to beat their children (we lag far behind other first world nations in that respect). It's a cultural thing that needs to be changed, and then the law will follow.

The best response I read yesterday, to people who say, "My parents spanked me and I turned out fine" is, "No, they just turned you into a person who thinks it's okay to hit little kids." (full disclosure: my mother used spanking as a disciplinary tool. She died when I was ten and my brother eight and his only memories of her are of her hitting him)

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Dell, the culture often changes first, and then the law follows. Biden just gave a talk to Today about that very thing- he was asked about the Violence Against Women Act, which is now barely 20 years old, and how the culture changed first, to make the law possible (and it was ardently opposed by quite a few conservatives). First, I seriously doubt, if you look back at NOW's advocacy that you'll find silence on the subject of punishment for domestic abusers, but that said, pushing to change the culture of the NFL is probably more beneficial to the actual women getting the sh*t kicked out of them.

My point is had NOW decided to push to change the culture of prosecutors and judges on the court to enforce laws already on the books to their fullest instead of the NFL they'd be benefitting far more women than the NFL wives.

Personally I think NOW, while the incident is fresh, should follow the trail blazed by MADD. Had MADD decided to target changing the culture of drinkers rather the culture of the court system I think DUI related accidents and fatalities would be exponentially larger than they currently are.

I don't believe the excuse Ray Rice hit his fiancé because he thought it culturally OK to do so. However had he known he would almost certainly be going to jail for a substantial period of time I'm not sure the incident would have ever happened. One thing that is for sure is an abuser can't physically harm a victim while behind bars. And as Martha Stewart would say, 'It's a good thing'

[dellinger63]

The judge was charged in August with misdemeanor battery after allegedly throwing his wife to the floor, pulling her hair and kicking her at an Atlanta hotel, according to the police report obtained by the Advertiser. Earlier this month, the judge accepted a plea deal to have the arrest removed if he undergoes a domestic violence counseling program.

By all means give this guy some domestic violence counseling, just do it behind bars, and if domestic violence is to be taken seriously 'having the arrest removed' should never be an option!

Stop protecting the abuser and neglecting the victim both past and future.

The next poor woman the judge gets involved with should have arrest information available to her not shredded and forgotten.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/0...090.html?hp=l7