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08-20-2014, 11:05 PM
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I agree with everything the article says. I think the author does a good job of providing evidence to back up every argument he makes. Eric Holder is a joke. He is just a liberal activist who only likes to prosecute certain groups. This has always been his modus operandi dating back to when he first came into office and dropped the case against the New Black Panthers. If that case had been against the KKK, rather than the New Black Panthers, Holder would have had the full weight of his office prosecuting that case. Anyway, going back to this current case, I don't care whether you are liberal or conservative. I don't think there is one of you that could look at me with a straight face and tell me that Eric Holder would be in Ferguson with 40 FBI agents investigating this case if the police officer was black and the shooting victim was white. That is the point that the author of the article is trying to make and any objective person would agree with that. Last edited by Rupert Pupkin : 08-21-2014 at 02:13 AM. 
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08-21-2014, 06:08 AM
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08-21-2014, 08:53 AM
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Thanks, Bob, for your thoughtful comment. Natch you have no problem with federal agencies being staffed with left-wing idealogues.
To continue... "WASHINGTON — Nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012, according to the most recent accounts of justifiable homicide reported to the FBI. On average, there were 96 such incidents among at least 400 police killings each year that were reported to the FBI by local police." http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/n...data/14060357/ 96 of 400, or 24%. According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_an..._United_States http://www.prnewswire.com/news-relea...133967273.html Is it really a stretch that black deaths at the hands of police make up 24% of the total deaths at the hands of the police? As for the DOJ, never in history has it inserted itself into a case as quickly as it has this one. Why do you suppose that is?
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08-21-2014, 08:57 AM
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While the racial analysis is striking, the database it's based on has been long considered flawed and largely incomplete.' this is also from your first article you posted, old dog. so, do you consider the first article a good source? the database is flawed and incomplete, yet you choose to use the 24% part, but don't mention the other stat further down, which is definitely skewed in another direction. also, how many blacks were killed by black officers, as there is also evidence of bias from black officers toward black suspects.
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08-21-2014, 09:12 AM
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to answer the questions being raised, one must know what's going on...which seems to be a real issue right now, because police departments don't track data:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opini...819-story.html this explains why the date base mentioned in the article old dog posted is incomplete. seems many don't think to keep track, or don't care.
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08-21-2014, 09:47 AM
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It may be flawed and incomplete, but what other database is there?
I'm still searching for the one which establishes the very real and terrible pattern of police killings of African-American men, the one that shows that blacks are being killed in numbers disproportionate to criminality statistics. As for the second stat, about young blacks being killed disproportionately as compared to young whites, it's interesting to note the similarity to the statistics of young blacks being killed by anyone as compared to young whites. Have a look at these from the CDC: Leading causes of death by age group - White Males 2010 (most recent data) http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2010/LCOD_WHITEmen2010.pdf Ages 15-24, homicide is the third highest cause at 8-10%. Contrast that to Black Males http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/2010/LCODBlackmales2010.pdf where homicide is the leading cause at 50%. Is there a correlation between young blacks being killed by police and young blacks being killed by anybody? Could be.
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08-21-2014, 10:05 AM
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apparently because no one cares enough to track it. so no one can prove or disprove anything at this point. it seems the best thing to do would be for everyone to track this, and for everyone to also make sure their police aren't just trained, they must follow up on that training. the only training subsequent to the academy my father ever went thru was when they'd send you to the range once a year to make sure you could still shoot fairly accurately. many occupations require follow up training, continuing education, etc. surely the police should be one of the groups who does so?
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08-21-2014, 02:49 PM
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Why should this case be any different? There should be an investigation and if they find the shooting was not justified, then refer the case to the local DA. If it appeared that the local authorities including the DA were not doing their job and that a person's civil rights may have been violated, it would be at that time that Eric Holder should come in and look into the case. Why is he there right now? Two conditions are necessary for civil rights charges to be considered. The first condition is that justice was not served at the local level for whatever reason. There could be several reasons for this. Maybe the local authorities would not do their job or maybe they did do their job but the jury wouldn't convict for whatever reason. So the first condition necessary for civil rights charges to be considered is that justice was not served at the local level. The second condition necessary is that there is evidence of a racial component to the crime. In this case, at this point, not only is there is no evidence that any crime was committed by the officer, but there is certainly no evidence that the officer shot the guy because he was black. There is no evidence of any racial bias on the part of this officer. This officer actually has a perfect record. So for Eric Holder to be in Ferguson right now with 40 FBI agents is absurd. It is totally premature. Holder has no business with this case at this point. He has no jurisdiction. He should do what he did with the George Zimmerman case (with a little less meddling). He should stand back and let the local authorities do their job. If he wants to look over their shoulder a little bit to make sure they are doing their job, that is fine. But until and unless the two conditions I mentioned before are met, Holder should not be there and he should stay out of this case.
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