Maylaysian plane with 295 on board shot down in Ukraine

[Rudeboyelvis]

Amazing decision, to fly a commercial jet through the middle of a war zone. Wonder if they buzzed the Gaza Strip in a low level fly-by on their way.



Oh, FAA warned all airlines to stay clear:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...ning/12783569/

[jms62]

Maylaysian Airlines not having a good year.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Amazing decision, to fly a commercial jet through the middle of a war zone. Wonder if they buzzed the Gaza Strip in a low level fly-by on their way.



Oh, FAA warned all airlines to stay clear:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...ning/12783569/

Saw the graphic where last 4 days that flight flew on Southern path but severe T-Storms today forced it to route North.....Captain Obvious, but should have routed even more North...someone paid for saving jet fuel with a lot of lives

[Pants II]

23 Americans on board. 9 Brits. 71 Dutch.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

sad deal..rip

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Pants II

23 Americans on board. 9 Brits. 71 Dutch.

23 Americans on a commercial jet shot down? Do we go to war now?

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

23 Americans on a commercial jet shot down? Do we go to war now?

Well there were 128 Americans on the Lusitania when we went to war in 1917. Of course World War I was already underway for 3 years in Europe.

There is a threshold where that happens but not sure 23 is it.

Horrible situation - I am praying for the families of all the victims.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Well there were 128 Americans on the Lusitania when we went to war in 1917. Of course World War I was already underway for 3 years in Europe.

There is a threshold where that happens but not sure 23 is it.

Horrible situation - I am praying for the families of all the victims.

we didn't enter ww1 because of the lusitania, which went down in 1915.

look up 'zimmerman note'. that's why we entered the war.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Well there were 128 Americans on the Lusitania when we went to war in 1917. Of course World War I was already underway for 3 years in Europe.

There is a threshold where that happens but not sure 23 is it.

Horrible situation - I am praying for the families of all the victims.

So are you suggesting we jump into another unfunded war before all the facts are known? Would a horrible accident where civilians are killed constitute grounds for going to war? Could it be that you and your ilk are simply using this tragedy to disparage the actions of your rival party whatever those actions are without any regard to the costs of those actions to the country both human and financial? I find this absolutely despicable. While you're at it maybe you should "pray" for a soul for you and those willing to sacrifice our youth based on unconfirmed information from the front lines blaming the enemy for purposely and knowingly shooting down a civilian aircraft.

PS
Good luck at Saratoga today

[Arletta]

What are the odds of this?

Woman loses relatives from both Malaysia crashes.

http://news.msn.com/world/woman-lose...-air-disasters

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

So are you suggesting we jump into another unfunded war before all the facts are known? Would a horrible accident where civilians are killed constitute grounds for going to war? Could it be that you and your ilk are simply using this tragedy to disparage the actions of your rival party whatever those actions are without any regard to the costs of those actions to the country both human and financial? I find this absolutely despicable. While you're at it maybe you should "pray" for a soul for you and those willing to sacrifice our youth based on unconfirmed information from the front lines blaming the enemy for purposely and knowingly shooting down a civilian aircraft.

PS
Good luck at Saratoga today

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

So are you suggesting we jump into another unfunded war before all the facts are known? Would a horrible accident where civilians are killed constitute grounds for going to war? Could it be that you and your ilk are simply using this tragedy to disparage the actions of your rival party whatever those actions are without any regard to the costs of those actions to the country both human and financial? I find this absolutely despicable. While you're at it maybe you should "pray" for a soul for you and those willing to sacrifice our youth based on unconfirmed information from the front lines blaming the enemy for purposely and knowingly shooting down a civilian aircraft.

PS
Good luck at Saratoga today

Um - no - not suggesting that at all. I was simply stating that there is precedent for casualties in an attack, prior to which were not part of the hostilities, leading eventually to involvement in a war. I had remembered that history teachers cited "unrestricted submarine warfare" as the cause of our involvment - and the Lusitania sinking the primary event of that rationale.

Having said that, Danzig's post about the Zimmerman telegram makes a much more concrete case, and the Lusitania sinking would be of lesser importance. Apparently my high school history teacher generalized a bit too much.

Independent of all this theory, I would say the opposite - we ought to steer clear of a confrontation with the Russians if we can avoid it.

PS. Good luck to you as well in Saratoga. And everyone else. Wishing our guys many big ticket winners.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by jms62

So are you suggesting we jump into another unfunded war before all the facts are known? Would a horrible accident where civilians are killed constitute grounds for going to war? Could it be that you and your ilk are simply using this tragedy to disparage the actions of your rival party whatever those actions are without any regard to the costs of those actions to the country both human and financial? I find this absolutely despicable. While you're at it maybe you should "pray" for a soul for you and those willing to sacrifice our youth based on unconfirmed information from the front lines blaming the enemy for purposely and knowingly shooting down a civilian aircraft.

PS
Good luck at Saratoga today

Of course we get the facts first, but if 23 Americans died, then yes retaliation is in order.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Amazing decision, to fly a commercial jet through the middle of a war zone. Wonder if they buzzed the Gaza Strip in a low level fly-by on their way.



Oh, FAA warned all airlines to stay clear:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel...ning/12783569/

and now i just saw that the isreali military is planning a move on gaza.
what a mess.

[GBBob]

Press conference @ AMS now: 283 pax and 15 crew.
27 pax nationality unknown
154 Dutch
27 Malaysian
22 Australian
6 British
4 German
4 Belgian
1 Canadian

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Press conference @ AMS now: 283 pax and 15 crew.
27 pax nationality unknown
154 Dutch
27 Malaysian
22 Australian
6 British
4 German
4 Belgian
1 Canadian

We'll see... FOX and their lies are reporting 20 plus Americans on board.

No worries the President is fundraising and he knows there are no Americans

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

We'll see... FOX and their lies are reporting 20 plus Americans on board.

No worries the President is fundraising and he knows there are no Americans

I sure hope he can get 18 holes in tomorrow.....

[jms62]

So Hawks are you still disappointed that we didnt level the Kremlin yesterday?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...h-mh17-3876806

[Pants II]

Originally Posted by jms62

So Hawks are you still disappointed that we didnt level the Kremlin yesterday?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...h-mh17-3876806

Fox and Friends are on Level 5 Chickenhawk Alert.

Gaza getting ugly.

Bok

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

So Hawks are you still disappointed that we didnt level the Kremlin yesterday?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...h-mh17-3876806

i did see where putin blamed ukraine for it having occurred.

This tragedy would not have happened if there were peace on this land, if the military actions had not been renewed in southeast Ukraine. And, certainly, the state over whose territory this occurred bears responsibility for this awful tragedy."