Typical of this administration, 288k new jobs in June

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

Or ship jobs overseas or import cheap labor. The outcome is inevitable when no one is left that can afford to buy your stuff... Is this not clear as day?

Do you think there would be any way to incentivize corporations to build their factories here instead of overseas or to even close their factories overseas and re-open them here? If so, would you be in favor of trying to do that?

Even if the government had to give these companies huge tax breaks, it still may be worth it to the government's bottom line. With all the extra jobs that would be created here, there would be more people paying taxes and less people needing government benefits.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Do you think there would be any way to incentivize corporations to build their factories here instead of overseas or to even close their factories overseas and re-open them here? If so, would you be in favor of trying to do that?

Even if the government had to give these companies huge tax breaks, it still may be worth it to the government's bottom line. With all the extra jobs that would be created here, there would be more people paying taxes and less people needing government benefits.

What in the last 25 years gives you an iota of evidence that given more money corporations will use it for anything other than lining the pockets of execs? Seriously Rupe your ideology is from a time long past or you are willfully ignorant of the current state of events. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say it is the former.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

What in the last 25 years gives you an iota of evidence that given more money corporations will use it for anything other than lining the pockets of execs? Seriously Rupe your ideology is from a time long past or you are willfully ignorant of the current state of events. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say it is the former.

You misunderstood my question. I agree with you that most corporations are about the bottom line and maximizing profits. Right now it is more profitable for them to have their factories overseas. My question is whether there could be anything done that would make it more profitable for them to keep their companies here. When I mentioned a tax break, I meant that it would only be under the condition that the company have their factory here, and not overseas.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You misunderstood my question. I agree with you that most corporations are about the bottom line and maximizing profits. Right now it is more profitable for them to have their factories overseas. My question is whether there could be anything done that would make it more profitable for them to keep their companies here. When I mentioned a tax break, I meant that it would only be under the condition that the company have their factory here, and not overseas.

I suppose if we completely eliminate the minimum wage, unemployment benefits, allow unlimited H1B's, eliminate the FDA and EPA, eliminate welfare benefits and allow people to sell their children into slavery we can be competitive with China and India. In short I would trust a meth addicted degenerate gambler at Hawthorne to pay me back the 100 bucks he is asking for than corporate America to do what is right for the future of the country with any bribe money given them.

[geeker2]

Looks like the sky may not be falling after all.....eventually it all about economics and certainty.

http://worldtonyc.com/us-manufacturing-making-comeback/

[jms62]

Originally Posted by geeker2

Looks like the sky may not be falling after all.....eventually it all about economics and certainty.

http://worldtonyc.com/us-manufacturing-making-comeback/

Awesome!!! I'm glad W2NYC is on the case and telling it like it is while the associated press is totally dropping the ball

http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/b...n-worker-visas



The sky is not falling Geeker, it already fell and crushed the middle class. Can I ask if you are retired/semi retired and collecting a pension? Most folks in that age group see no problems at all cause they are still getting their pensions... For now that is. As far as "It's all about economics", the economics books have yet to be written on the long range detrimental effects of shipping buying power to the 3rd world.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

Awesome!!! I'm glad W2NYC is on the case and telling it like it is while the associated press is totally dropping the ball

http://www.bigstory.ap.org/article/b...n-worker-visas



The sky is not falling Geeker, it already fell and crushed the middle class. Can I ask if you are retired/semi retired and collecting a pension? Most folks in that age group see no problems at all cause they are still getting their pensions... For now that is. As far as "It's all about economics", the economics books have yet to be written on the long range detrimental effects of shipping buying power to the 3rd world.

That is interesting. It shows that we have been bamboozled when they keep telling us that they need to bring in these workers because there is a shortage of skilled workers here. In reality, there doesn't appear to be much of a shortage. They just want cheaper labor.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You misunderstood my question. I agree with you that most corporations are about the bottom line and maximizing profits. Right now it is more profitable for them to have their factories overseas. My question is whether there could be anything done that would make it more profitable for them to keep their companies here. When I mentioned a tax break, I meant that it would only be under the condition that the company have their factory here, and not overseas.

we still are the number one manufacturing country, but too much has gone to automation.
the paper mill still runs lights out here in this town, with a fraction of its former workforce.
they even have robot fork trucks to go with the robot trailers that move product around...along with robots that package, box, palletize, etc, etc.

we have corporations who love capitalism, and people who support rampant capitalism, and all it's done is made a lot of people obsolete. and then we blame the people for not working-when in fact there's no jobs for them. because they're either done by machine now, or gone overseas. and the top tier of the companies make loads more than ever before, while what workers remain get paid squat.

[joeydb]

Wait until the hamburger-flipping robot comes out. Unemployment will really spike.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Wait until the hamburger-flipping robot comes out. Unemployment will really spike.

funny, but sad, because it's getting to that.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

funny, but sad, because it's getting to that.

It will happen - and there is a legitimate discussion to be had about technology vs. traditional employment, and that would have happened anyway. But we are losing jobs to other countries without the automation as well, simply where the labor is cheap. A shirt made in Bangladesh isn't being made by robots - it's people sewing them but willing to do so for a lot cheaper than Americans can.

Remember the 1980's when a major news story was the decrease and disappearance of textile jobs in the south? That's a long time ago. There are very few of those jobs left compared to what we had.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Do you think there would be any way to incentivize corporations to build their factories here instead of overseas or to even close their factories overseas and re-open them here? If so, would you be in favor of trying to do that?

Even if the government had to give these companies huge tax breaks, it still may be worth it to the government's bottom line. With all the extra jobs that would be created here, there would be more people paying taxes and less people needing government benefits.

Hahahahaha

No corporation is doing jack-sh1t in "the best interest of the communities they serve" if it doesn't pad their bottom line. Wake the fuc1< up.

Subsidizing corporations through massive tax breaks is the only way the ones that are still here stay here. And most all of those are national, not international corporations, as international corporations are required to pay taxes on revenues earned outside of the country.

Again, corporate tax rates are huge, relative to the rest of the modernized world, but the massive incentives they receive typically offset those rates.

Case in point - Walgreens being urged to move to Switzerland, by shareholders, to sidestep paying taxes on revenue raised outside US borders:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ate-tax-burden

The great news is, that for all of these corporations fleeing the country, there are no laws in place to keep them from forming PAC's and thus influencing our lawmakers. So they can willfully leave our country, continue to do business within our borders, and pay to play just like they were still here. Only heaping more of the tax burden onto small business and what is left of the middle class.

It's like beating your head into the wall. Another thread replete with 3 pages of Red vs. Blue hur hur hur and not one scintilla of outrage at how you are continuing to get screwed by both of them equally.


Wake up.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Hahahahaha

No corporation is doing jack-sh1t in "the best interest of the communities they serve" if it doesn't pad their bottom line. Wake the fuc1< up.

Subsidizing corporations through massive tax breaks is the only way the ones that are still here stay here. And most all of those are national, not international corporations, as international corporations are required to pay taxes on revenues earned outside of the country.

Again, corporate tax rates are huge, relative to the rest of the modernized world, but the massive incentives they receive typically offset those rates.

Case in point - Walgreens being urged to move to Switzerland, by shareholders, to sidestep paying taxes on revenue raised outside US borders:

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...ate-tax-burden

The great news is, that for all of these corporations fleeing the country, there are no laws in place to keep them from forming PAC's and thus influencing our lawmakers. So they can willfully leave our country, continue to do business within our borders, and pay to play just like they were still here. Only heaping more of the tax burden onto small business and what is left of the middle class.

It's like beating your head into the wall. Another thread replete with 3 pages of Red vs. Blue hur hur hur and not one scintilla of outrage at how you are continuing to get screwed by both of them equally.


Wake up.

You misunderstood me. I was simply asking if there was anything that could be done to stop companies from outsourcing. I wasn't suggesting that companies would stay here due to altruism. I was wondering if there was any way to force them, either through reward, punishment or both, to stop outsourcing.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You misunderstood me. I was simply asking if there was anything that could be done to stop companies from outsourcing. I wasn't suggesting that companies would stay here due to altruism. I was wondering if there was any way to force them, either through reward, punishment or both, to stop outsourcing.

No, I didn't. I was simply answering the rhetorical question you posed, though in an admittedly curt manner. My apologies.

If you'd prefer the thoroughly in depth version (which even you may find eye-opening) of where we are, where we came from to get here, and where we are going, I cannot suggest this enough:

http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.p...=9780674430006