So much for separation of church and state

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

When the 'State' forces a baker in Arizona to bake a cake or a business owner to supply birth control and abortion coverage regardless of their individual religious beliefs it's far more an intrusion of State into the Church than being subjected to a short prayer is an intrusion of Church on the State.

And because some think the baker and business owner act out of hate is the reason I asked if those objecting to prayer hate the religion or the people?

Would you also have a problem with state taking issue with other forms of discrimination under the guise of "ones religious beliefs"?

You are one tough read. So many times you come on here as the champion of women's rights and gay rights. Yet you are against enforcing those rights when they are violated?? Wouldn't want to play poker with you as you are one tough read.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Would you also have a problem with state taking issue with other forms of discrimination under the guise of "ones religious beliefs"?

You are one tough read. So many times you come on here as the champion of women's rights and gay rights. Yet you are against enforcing those rights when they are violated?? Wouldn't want to play poker with you as you are one tough read.

The baker has no right to prevent gays from marriage just as the business owner doesn't have the right to prevent women from having abortion/bc coverage. Doesn't mean they should be forced by the State to partake in it.

Bottom line I'm not all that hard to read as I think everyone mentioned above should be 'free' whether it be to marry, have access to B.C. and abortion or follow whatever religion they want to follow.


When the baker starts preventing gay marriages from happening and the business owner forces his female employees to not use BC or undergo abortions I then have a rights issue.

BTW I'd also have a problem if and when the reciting of the prayer becomes mandatory.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

The baker has no right to prevent gays from marriage just as the business owner doesn't have the right to prevent women from having abortion/bc coverage. Doesn't mean they should be forced by the State to partake in it.

Bottom line I'm not all that hard to read as I think everyone mentioned above should be 'free' whether it be to marry, have access to B.C. and abortion or follow whatever religion they want to follow.


When the baker starts preventing gay marriages from happening and the business owner forces his female employees to not use BC or undergo abortions I then have a rights issue.

BTW I'd also have a problem if and when the reciting of the prayer becomes mandatory.

Really

Shocked that you support discrimination like that. Sad

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Really

Shocked that you support discrimination like that. Sad

I think you need to realize some people don't live under a 'guise' of religious beliefs but 'actual' religious beliefs.

Imagine if someone came up with an argument that the people who wanted the baker to bake a cake were doing so under the 'guise' of being gay?

[Rudeboyelvis]

The similarities between Scalia law and Sharia law continue to boggle the mind...

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

The similarities between Scalia law and Sharia law continue to boggle the mind...

Except one involves prayer and one involves murder.