PETA undercover in Asmussen's barn - Whoa!

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

The reality is that if PETA is going to try and embarrass him or the sport, they will do it whether he is there or not. Especially if he has horses running in the big races. I'm sure there will be something mentioned in the broadcast about it. That's going to happen if he attends or doesn't.

I'm not defending Asmussen or his record. Just don't see why he should have to step away from his job because a tape surfaced with where one of his employees swore a lot.

Just wanted to say yes I agree, they will whether he is there of not.

That said it's a question of scale.

If he isn't there? Some of these...



... a small but very vocal group of protesters, a bit of coverage.

If he is there though?

Whoa it has the potential to get very ugly very quickly and his mere presence will show anyone who cares to pay attention that the sport, as a whole, does NOTHING when confronted with issues such as this.

Again, I respectfully agree with Danzig's post above.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Just wanted to say yes I agree, they will whether he is there of not.

That said it's a question of scale.

If he isn't there? Some of these...



... a small but very vocal group of protesters, a bit of coverage.

If he is there though?

Whoa it has the potential to get very ugly very quickly and his mere presence will show anyone who cares to pay attention that the sport, as a whole, does NOTHING when confronted with issues such as this.

Again, I respectfully agree with Danzig's post above.

thanks again.

but, the bigger problem than if he's there on derby day....
why are these trainers given pass after pass? why do owners hire them? when will the sport do something? or does it only say it will do something, but not really do anything, because they don't want to irritate the owners? they have (in some cases) pretty deep pockets. if they take their dough and go home, that hurts racing. but so do crooked trainers.
the trainers who cheat don't just affect derby day...they don't just have an affect when peta has a video. it's a constant problem, day in and day out at tracks everywhere.

asmussen isn't the problem. he's one of the symptoms of the problem.
why don't owners understand that there are good quality trainers without the clouds of suspicion? that you can win while doing it right?

does anyone think peta didn't know what they were doing by going after this particular trainer? people say 'oh, it's peta' because what else can they say? they did well in choosing who they chose. anyone who tries to defend the guy is going to get called out for defending someone who is a repeat offender of the rules of the sport.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by my miss storm cat

Just wanted to say yes I agree, they will whether he is there of not.

That said it's a question of scale.

If he isn't there? Some of these...



... a small but very vocal group of protesters, a bit of coverage.

If he is there though?

Whoa it has the potential to get very ugly very quickly and his mere presence will show anyone who cares to pay attention that the sport, as a whole, does NOTHING when confronted with issues such as this.

Again, I respectfully agree with Danzig's post above.

And I respectfully disagree.

Part of racings problem has been overreacting (synthetic tracks are a great example of this) anytime we start to get some bad press.

Wanting someone to not show up for work on Derby Day because of that tape screams of overreaction to me.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

And I respectfully disagree.

Part of racings problem has been overreacting (synthetic tracks are a great example of this) anytime we start to get some bad press.

Wanting someone to not show up for work on Derby Day because of that tape screams of overreaction to me.

it's not just the tape. geez.

'Asmussen's nomination to the Hall of Fame was put on hold on Friday while two state racing commissions conduct an investigation after a video surfaced appearing to show horses being drugged.

The National Museum of Racing announced it was in its "best interests" to table its nomination of Asmussen, known as one of the top trainers of race horses in the United States.

Asmussen is the target of probes by the New York State Racing Commission and Kentucky Horse Racing Commission Communications, both organizations confirmed.'


edit--and i was wrong, it's not a 275 page report. it's 285.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's not just the tape. geez.

'Asmussen's nomination to the Hall of Fame was put on hold on Friday while two state racing commissions conduct an investigation after a video surfaced appearing to show horses being drugged.

The National Museum of Racing announced it was in its "best interests" to table its nomination of Asmussen, known as one of the top trainers of race horses in the United States.

Asmussen is the target of probes by the New York State Racing Commission and Kentucky Horse Racing Commission Communications, both organizations confirmed.'


edit--and i was wrong, it's not a 275 page report. it's 285.

It is because of the tape. Were people calling for him not to show up before the tape?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

It is because of the tape. Were people calling for him not to show up before the tape?

it is because of the tape, the report...and the investigations being conducted right now by nyra and kentucky. i'm sorry you think it's only about the tape, and not what the tape revealed.


and you want to fix the system. well, then let's start right now, with asmussen being ruled off the track while two racing entities conduct thorough investigations into very serious allegations.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it is because of the tape, the report...and the investigations being conducted right now by nyra and kentucky. i'm sorry you think it's only about the tape, and not what the tape revealed.


and you want to fix the system. well, then let's start right now, with asmussen being ruled off the track while two racing entities conduct thorough investigations into very serious allegations.

What did the tape reveal other than Scott Blasi swears a lot?

You can't deny someone a livelihood because you don't like them. Doesn't work that way on the real world.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

What did the tape reveal other than Scott Blasi swears a lot?.

It showed Blassi talking about Santana using a buzzer. Yet Asmussen is being investigated. It does show him falsifying SS#'s and that is why I posted the US Dept. of Labor should be involved instead of NY or KY racing offices. However that's a hot potato no one wants any part of.

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

You can't deny someone a livelihood because you don't like them. Doesn't work that way on the real world.

Not sure Paula Deen would agree