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			 8th (4:10) Northern Spur S. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			1 Mile | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000 1 Six Spot Santana R Jr 119 L 2 Bourbonize Vazquez R A 117 Blk-On L 3 Knock Em Flat Quinonez L S 115 L 4 Zen's Way Ocampo I 115 L 5 Rivers Run Deep Rosario J 115 L 6 Sheltowee's Boy Navarro J 117 L 7 Unstoppable Colby Saez L 115 L 8 Fabulous Kid Loveberry J 115 L 9 Son of Dixie Berry M C 115 L 10 Northern Merit Martinez S B 115 L 9th (4:49) Instant Racing S. 6 Furlongs | Fillies | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $100,000 1 Adrianne G Berry M C 115 L 2 Jojo Warrior Stevens G L 115 L 3 Annuity Rosario J 115 L 4 Street Story Santana R Jr 122 L 5 Sweetmarys Success Smith M E 119 L 6 Our Laughing Lady Canchari A 115 L 7 Midnight Eclipse Tohill K S 117 L 10th (5:27) Oaklawn H. (G2) 1 1/8 Miles | Open | 4 Year Olds And Up Stakes | Purse: $600,000 1 Revolutionary Smith M E 117 L 2 Will Take Charge Saez L 123 L 3 Right to Vote Santana R Jr 113 L 4 Carve Castanon J L 113 L 5 Moreno Rosario J 118 L 6 Golden Lad Stevens G L 116 L 7 Prayer for Relief Arroyo N Jr 116 L 11th (6:07) Arkansas Derby (G1) 1 1/8 Miles | Open | 3 Year Olds Stakes | Purse: $1,000,000 1 Danza Bravo J 118 L 2 Knock Em Flat Quinonez L S 118 L 3 Tapiture Rosario J 122 L 4 Ride On Curlin Court J K 118 L 5 Thundergram Arroyo N Jr 118 Blk-On L 6 Commissioner Smith M E 118 L 7 Conquest Titan Borel C H 122 L 8 Bayern Stevens G L 118 L 9 Strong Mandate Saez L 122 L 
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			 Funny how no one is critical Bayern gets a G1 start in his third start, while everyone bashed Social Inclusion for it.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
			The rule used in handicapping here is when a field of horses has been taking turns beating each other, or doesn't look that different from each other in quality overall (I don't think Tapiture is a whole lot better than Strong Mandate and Ride On Curlin), take a look at the newcomers. Bayern will crush these. Last edited by letswastemoney : 04-09-2014 at 10:35 PM.  | 
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			 With jockey switch on tapiture, I am all over bayern to win and commish for the bottom of multis.  Baffert race to loose. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			 Smith - Pletcher - Winstar late Double.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
	As a complete aside if you're a UK fan an haven't read the piece in the Dallas paper about the Winstar/Trout and Julius Randle connection...Do yourself a favor and check it out. http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/col...ggest-star.ece  | 
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			 I admit I was wrong about Bayern crushing the field. I didn't think he raced poorly...he just did not handle the pace pressure as well as I hoped.  
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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			 Worse Derby field than the Big Brown derby? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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			 Here's 12 best Beyers of the field (without today's figs). What's wrong with the level of performance these have established? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			California Chrome SA 08 Mar 1 1/16M 108 Wicked Strong AQU 05 Apr 1 1/8M 104 Chitu SUN 23 Mar 1 1/8M 102 General a Rod GP 22 Feb 1 1/16M 101 Wildcat Red GP 22 Feb 1 1/16M 101 Hoppertunity OP 15 Mar 1 1/16M 100 Constitution GP 29 Mar 1 1/8M 99 Tapiture OP 15 Mar 1 1/16M 99 Wildcat Red GP 29 Mar 1 1/8M 99 Midnight Hawk SUN 23 Mar 1 1/8M 98 Ride On Curlin OP 15 Mar 1 1/16M 98 Samraat AQU 05 Apr 1 1/8M 98 
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			 When was the last time there were more horses with TDBeyers than those without? 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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			 This discussion leads to the logical conclusion that the derby should be capped at 14 horses. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			 Every year people say the 3YOs suck irrespective of facts. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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	I'd say 2014 is definitely better than 2009 as well (Friesan Fire was the favorite and Mine that Bird was the winner).  | 
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			 There is a certain board member here that gave out Danza yesterday morning on twitter. I won't mention any names, but his initials are Jay Frederick.  Just your typical $84 winner. Ho hum... 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
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			 As shown by 10 Point's handy research, an irrelevancy. The question asked was what was wrong with the level of accomplishment of the top 2/3'rds of the prospective Derby field and the answer is nothing. It appears a solid, slightly-better-than-average-in-April group of sophs. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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			 Nice pick Jay Frederick!  I wish I knew when to jump on to someone else's opinion. I wish I knew when to jump on my own as well, I'd be rich. 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
	
		
		
	
	
	I somehow made up this theory that Pletcher was using Danza as a rabbit to help his other entrant. So coming into the stretch it looked like a replay of the Fla. derby with Danza getting a dream trip on the rail similar to Constitution, only this time there was no Wildcat Red to battle back. This spring there have been 4 preps to compare the 3 yo's to TOP older horses. Fountain of Youth Wildcat Red 1 1/16 (1:35.24) 1:41.85 101 beyer Normandy Invasion 1 mile 1:33.13(NTR) 100 beyer San Felipe Cali Chrome 1 1/16 (1:33.94) 1:40.59 108 beyer Game on Dude 1 1/4 (1:32.57) 1:58.17 117 beyer La. Derby Vicar's In Trouble 1 1/8 (1:37.15) 1:50.77 97 beyer Palace Malice 1 1/8 (1:36.31) 1:48.93 114 beyer Ark. Derby Danza 1 1/8 (1:37.38) 1:49.68 ? beyer Will Take Charge 1 1/8 (1:36.87) 1:49.55 ? beyer Danza ran huge in comparison. I don't understand how Normandy Invasion wins by 7, sets a new track record and gets trumped by Wildcat Red on the beyer fig.  | 
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			 congrats, jay, on a great pick! 
		
	
		
		
		
		
		
		
			
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