A question on Easy Goer...

[Hickory Hill Hoff]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

176...........

Ha Ha...but seriously...what was it?

[blackthroatedwind]

Beyer figures weren't public until the Racing Times which was around 1990 and that was 1989. I will see if Beyer knows off hand. I think they have said Sunday Silence and Easy Goer ran numbers in the low 120s when they were good.

Discreet Cat has a LONG way to go to even be considered in their league.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Beyer figures weren't public until the Racing Times which was around 1990 and that was 1989. I will see if Beyer knows off hand. I think they have said Sunday Silence and Easy Goer ran numbers in the low 120s when they were good.

Discreet Cat has a LONG way to go to even be considered in their league.

it been so long since we've had a consensus great horse, that we forget.
thats why we all go gaga whenever a horse even comes close to greatness. we'd like to have one to watch and appreciate, but this is about as close as it gets and like you say its really not all that close.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Beyer figures weren't public until the Racing Times which was around 1990 and that was 1989. I will see if Beyer knows off hand. I think they have said Sunday Silence and Easy Goer ran numbers in the low 120s when they were good.

Discreet Cat has a LONG way to go to even be considered in their league.

You're buggin'.. They were faster than the fastest horse in the history of ever?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're buggin'.. They were faster than the fastest horse in the history of ever?

yeah, what he said.

i think.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

You're buggin'.. They were faster than the fastest horse in the history of ever?

Heres a fact that might put that race into perspective(DC's race).
In the history of Aqueduct, in all the dirt miles ever run, the three fastest miles are:
1)Tie between Discreet Cat and Easy Goer
3) Tie between Dispersal and Quiet American
5) Tie between Badge of Silver and Congaree and Silver Train.

Badge's place in 1:33 flat was the co 5th fastest mile ever run at Aqueduct.
Again, not detracting from DC's obvious great talent, but does that fact not indicate that perhaps the track was "just a little juiced up" when Badge is running as fast as Congaree ever did?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Heres a fact that might put that race into perspective(DC's race).
In the history of Aqueduct, in all the dirt miles ever run, the three fastest miles are:
1)Tie between Discreet Cat and Easy Goer
3) Badge of Silver

Badge's place in 1:33 flat was the third fastest mile ever run at Aqueduct.
Again, not detracting from DC's obvious great talent, but does that fact not indicate that perhaps the track was "just a little juiced up" when Badge is running faster than Congaree ever did?

well, then obviously it's just apparent that BOS was a better horse than congaree....


oh geez...someone give me a hand here, i think my tongue is stuck way back in my cheek and i can't get it out!

Originally Posted by Danzig188

well, then obviously it's just apparent that BOS was a better horse than congaree....


oh geez...someone give me a hand here, i think my tongue is stuck way back in my cheek and i can't get it out!

Actually i erred somewhat danzig. Congaree did indeed run his mile in 1:33 flat in his 2nd monster winning of the race.

[Slewbopper]

[quote=blackthroatedwind]Beyer figures weren't public until the Racing Times which was around 1990 and that was 1989. I will see if Beyer knows off hand. I think they have said Sunday Silence and Easy Goer ran numbers in the low 120s when they were good.

QUOTE]
When were they not good?
Combined record...34-23-10-1...never out of the money. And you must consider that four of those second place finishes were against each other

[MISTERGEE]

Was There At Gulfstream. Breeders Cup, Sunday Silence And Easy Goer. One Of Durkins Best Calls Ever. Super Memories Down The Stretch Neck And Neck

[SundayStar]

Originally Posted by MISTERGEE

Was There At Gulfstream. Breeders Cup, Sunday Silence And Easy Goer. One Of Durkins Best Calls Ever. Super Memories Down The Stretch Neck And Neck

i've seen it somewhere that sunday silence received a 124 for his 89 classic. i would suppose that easy goer's was 123 or 124 for that race. i haven't seen figures for any other of their races. i've always wondered what the '90 hollywood gold cup figure was where criminal type beat sunday by a long nose and the final time was 1:59 something.

[Bravado2112]

Long-time lurker. Figured I'd sign up since I actually have this information saved and it's pretty cool to look at for historical perspective. Beyer Figs were available via Bloodstock Research in those days. I always wished they would make some of the older figures available in some kind of publication - I think a lot of racing fans would love to see this stuff.

EASY GOER (check out his #'s at 2)
Suburban - 119
Met Mile - 114
Gold Stage - 111

BC Classic - 124
JC Gold Cup - 120
Woodward - 115
Travers - 121
Whitney - 119
Belmont - 122
Preakness - 113
Derby - 97
Wood - 110 (This figure was very controversial - the raw # was much higher)
Gotham - 118
Swale - 110

BC Juv - 100
Champagne - 116
Cowdin - 110
Allowance - 113
MSW - 102
MSW - 86

[Bravado2112]

Sunday Silence

Hol Gold Cup - 118
Californian - 110

BC Classic - 124
Super Derby - 106
Swaps - 107
Belmont - 113
Preakness - 113
Derby - 101
SA Derby - 116
San Felipe - 107
Allow - 98

Allow - 93
MSW - 102
MSW - 78

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Bravado2112

Long-time lurker. Figured I'd sign up since I actually have this information saved and it's pretty cool to look at for historical perspective. Beyer Figs were available via Bloodstock Research in those days. I always wished they would make some of the older figures available in some kind of publication - I think a lot of racing fans would love to see this stuff.

EASY GOER (check out his #'s at 2)
Suburban - 119
Met Mile - 114
Gold Stage - 111

BC Classic - 124
JC Gold Cup - 120
Woodward - 115
Travers - 121
Whitney - 119
Belmont - 122
Preakness - 113
Derby - 97
Wood - 110 (This figure was very controversial - the raw # was much higher)
Gotham - 118
Swale - 110

BC Juv - 100
Champagne - 116
Cowdin - 110
Allowance - 113
MSW - 102
MSW - 86

While u are checking out his numbers as a 2yo, go pull up King Glorious' numbers. He was the fastest 2yo of 1988 and should have been the Eclipse winner, not Easy Goer. I don't have the Beyer's but I believe his final race times were:

4.5f-51 1/5
5.5f-1:01 and change
6f-1:08 4/5
7f-1:21 1/5
8f-1:35 3/5 sloppy track

[Slewbopper]

Originally Posted by Hickory Hill Hoff

Ha Ha...but seriously...what was it?

Easy got a 176. Cat got a 115. It should be simple. At a mile, each length should be about 1 1/2 Beyer points. Using this formula, Discreet Cat would have been at the 1/16 pole when Easy crossed the finish line. The track conditions have to be considered, though. Who knows? DC might have beaten the Phipps' color bearer that day.

The bottom line is that he did not run as fast as EG. Holy Bull would have smoked both of them at a mile in November..

[JJP]

Originally Posted by Slewbopper

Easy got a 176. Cat got a 115. It should be simple. At a mile, each length should be about 1 1/2 Beyer points. Using this formula, Discreet Cat would have been at the 1/16 pole when Easy crossed the finish line. The track conditions have to be considered, though. Who knows? DC might have beaten the Phipps' color bearer that day.

The bottom line is that he did not run as fast as EG. Holy Bull would have smoked both of them at a mile in November..

I guess that would make Sunday Silence about a 180 then since the only time he lost to EG was at the irrelevant distance.

Holy Bull? He'd better hope Cigar wasn't in the same race as him.

Originally Posted by JJP

I guess that would make Sunday Silence about a 180 then since the only time he lost to EG was at the irrelevant distance.

Holy Bull? He'd better hope Cigar wasn't in the same race as him.

What have you been smoking?
Irrelevant distance? You ever even see that race? Distance made no difference. Easy had him the whole way anytime he wanted him.
Now what made the difference? The difference was that they had tight security on the barn SS was in before the race and ole Doc Harthill couldnt stop by.
I think that theory is lot better than yours. A length, a nose and a neck as opposed to the length of the stretch?
The program should have read, Harthill off. ****, Easy Goer couldnt even have Lasix and Harthill's working on SS and doing his preraces. everyplace except NY that was, and he got his ass handed to him.

I guess its just "a coiincidence" that the one time they met and Harthill couldn't get near SS that SS got bitchslapped by a pole huh?

[Bravado2112]

Holy Bull
Olympic - 117

Woodward - 116
Travers - 115
Haskell - 115
Dwyer - 119
Met Mile - 122
Derby - 85
Bluegrass - 113
Fla Derby - 115
FOY - 57
Hutch - 108

In Reality - 93
Futurity - 103
Alw - 91
MSW - 101

Cigar
BC Classic - 115
JC Gold Cup - 115
Woodward - 116
Pacific Classic - 111
Arlington - 117
Mass Cap - 112
Donn - 117

BC Classic - 117
JC Gold Cup - 111
Woodward - 111
Hol Gold Cup - 118
Mass Cap - 117
Pim Special - 114
Oaklawn - 121
GP Handicap - 116
Donn - 114
Alw - 108

[Bravado2112]

Ghostzapper
Met Mile - 123

BC Classic - 124
Woodward - 114
Iselin - 128
Tom Fool - 120

Vosburgh - 116
King's Bishop - 106
Alw - 99
Alw - 102

Alw - 84
MSW - 99