welfare vs wages

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Danzig
for starters, let's try to stay on topic. i'm not riot, and never will be.

do you wish to continue to subsidize low paid workers thru welfare?

Prove that forcing Employers to overpay wages for unskilled jobs will decrease "workfare". I'm only asking because there are actual studies done by independent sources that proclaim quite the opposite. It would actually, in effect, lead to higher unemployment and hyper-inflation.

please post the links, i'd like to see those. seriously.

and why is it that before, corporations could pay a living minimum wage, but now they can't? overpaid? below federal poverty level is correct pay? living at poverty level is overpaid?

Are we talking about the same thing? I thought this was a minimum wage discussion. This is a completely different discussion

no it's not a different discussion. minimum wage isn't above poverty level. businesses paid a living wage in the past, but minimum wage hasn't increased as the cost of living has done so. but profits have risen.


as for unskilled-define unskilled. as has been shown, many of these 'unskilled' workers are in these jobs because of layoffs in their previous field, many have a skill, a degree, or at least some college.

this is a more accurate analogy:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/20...age-to-20hour/

as for corporations, they are like racetracks, they only consider their own slice of the pie without looking at the bigger picture. and since we taxpayers help these same corporations thru tax deals, subsidies and the like, the least they could do is pay their workers enough that we wouldn't have to subsidize both employer and employee.

You keep at this, like somehow these evil employers are forcing us to pay for their sins - please prove this. Show one instance, where a corporate federal tax break / subsidy is directly related to employing minimum wage workers.

my point is that businesses accept subsidies from the federal govt (us) but then say the federal govt has no place in their business and how it's run, which is rather disingenuous. i'm not saying businesses who take subsidies automatically pay low wages. the koch bros (tied for 4th richest in the u.s.), for instance, have gotten subsidies.
and yes, corporations who pay minimum wage are 'forcing us' to pay for their sins, because they pay a low wage which means their employees qualify for welfare, food stamps ,rent assistance, etc. i'm saying that employees shouldn't have to be subsidized by taxpayers. they are working, they should make enough for us not to have to suppor them.

it's a simple question-do we want corporations who make billions in profits to pay their workers enough to get off welfare, or do you want to continue to help these people get by via welfare?

This is again, not an accurate representation of how corporate employment works. Employers are not emboldened to insuring a thriving economy - they require people to run their operations and pay what is required to do so. If they require higher quality talent, they pay more to get it.

Minimum wage jobs were never the backbone of our economy - even today, as you continue to try and refute, the overwhelming majority of people working at or below the federal minimum wage are teenagers below the age of 25. This is from the DoL, Bureau of Labor Statistics, not some paid-for organized labor paper.

hold on now. now teenagers are teens til age 25?! well, if that helps make your argument, then you've got me! but according to the table i'm looking at, there's a slot for 16-19 year olds. those are teens. and it's less than a quarter of min. wage recipients.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/minwage2012.htm

'EPI advocates for low- to moderate-income families in the United States. EPI also assesses current economic policies and proposes new policies that EPI believes will protect and improve the living standards of working families.' sounds good to me, since i'm a member of a working family-the backbone of this country.



Sounds good to me too. As I said, it doesn't make them bad, just makes them biased.
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