Penn National arrests

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is 29% not considered high anymore?

I believe that his ex's axe to grind is probably his downfall. Thankfully all my exes live in Texas and still love me so.

I know at Monmouth and Delaware that is run of the mill, not sure about Penn these days.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I know at Monmouth and Delaware that is run of the mill, not sure about Penn these days.

Dont forget Laurel, winter home of many JT's

[cmorioles]

My former home track, which I've also abandoned.

[Duvalier]

So what about other fairly recent attempts to administer medications or foreign substances into horses outside the prescribed times that took place in New York and Tampa and other tracks throughout the country. Are the feds or state agencies going to go look into those incidents for fraud? Horses working at a different track under an assumed name while being stabled at a racetrack in another completely different state prior to running in a stakes race...pretty much seems kind of the same as a clocker making up fake times.


How about the people caught redhanded milkshaking horses? Are indictments coming for them for committing fraud?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

So what about other fairly recent attempts to administer medications or foreign substances into horses outside the prescribed times that took place in New York and Tampa and other tracks throughout the country. Are the feds or state agencies going to go look into those incidents for fraud? Horses working at a different track under an assumed name while being stabled at a racetrack in another completely different state prior to running in a stakes race...pretty much seems kind of the same as a clocker making up fake times.


How about the people caught redhanded milkshaking horses? Are indictments coming for them for committing fraud?

Lets see if they can actually get anything accomplished with this one first!

[freddymo]

Innocent until proven guilty folks this is Waterville Pa. not Antwerp

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Innocent until proven guilty folks this is Waterville Pa. not Antwerp

C'mon Fred...a little extra lasix and getting indicted, facing 50 years and a $500,000 fine? Why not go after the real cheaters to make a statement?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

So what about other fairly recent attempts to administer medications or foreign substances into horses outside the prescribed times that took place in New York and Tampa and other tracks throughout the country. Are the feds or state agencies going to go look into those incidents for fraud? Horses working at a different track under an assumed name while being stabled at a racetrack in another completely different state prior to running in a stakes race...pretty much seems kind of the same as a clocker making up fake times.


How about the people caught redhanded milkshaking horses? Are indictments coming for them for committing fraud?

perhaps.
feds got involved because of interstate crime. so, conceivably, any trainer busted at a track could face federal charges due to wagering being interstate commerce.

[randallscott35]

Wells trained Rapid Redux to 22 in a row. McGwire would be proud.

[PatCummings]

Originally Posted by Danzig

perhaps.
feds got involved because of interstate crime. so, conceivably, any trainer busted at a track could face federal charges due to wagering being interstate commerce.

This is the big deal, and I think it's being slightly overlooked initially. Get caught attempting to do something, or actually doing it...and the indictment reads that this is, essentially, wire fraud.

The feds are arguing that the drugging or attempted drugging is an attempt to change the outcome of the race - as those races are transmitted via simulcast (wire) for consumption across state lines.

I'm guessing a place like Rillito Park, which doesn't distribute their signal, is free and clear from this.

My initial reaction to this, after reading the indictments, is that this could be just the first in a monumentally long line of "easy pickings." Whether/how it sticks is a different story, but it feels like this is just the start of a much MUCH bigger deal that is definitely not going to be limited to Penn National.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by PatCummings

This is the big deal, and I think it's being slightly overlooked initially. Get caught attempting to do something, or actually doing it...and the indictment reads that this is, essentially, wire fraud.

The feds are arguing that the drugging or attempted drugging is an attempt to change the outcome of the race - as those races are transmitted via simulcast (wire) for consumption across state lines.

I'm guessing a place like Rillito Park, which doesn't distribute their signal, is free and clear from this.

My initial reaction to this, after reading the indictments, is that this could be just the first in a monumentally long line of "easy pickings." Whether/how it sticks is a different story, but it feels like this is just the start of a much MUCH bigger deal that is definitely not going to be limited to Penn National.

The end of racing in the country could be coming if they are allowed to interpret the law as any violation is considered wire fraud. In this case the three individuals were either caught, admitted to or were accused of personally attempting to administering the drug, not a third party like a vet. In Rogers case she was arrested despite her husband being the trainer of record for that horse.

In the clockers case if giving faulty information across "state lines" is considered wire fraud then what about all the mistimed races across the country?