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Old 11-18-2013, 05:20 PM
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He has a chance to get the Eclipse if he wins the Cigar. That's a huge factor.
Every year I'm baffled as to why the Cigar Mile is potentially a determining factor in the Sprint Eclipse. While I understand that at Aqueduct it is a 1 turn race it still isnt contested at a sprint distance.
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:31 PM
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I expect Goldencents to rate off of Private Zone and come flying 5 wide on the turn to win by 5+ lengths geared down at the wire. I think he still has his best ready to fire for this one and then get an extended 3 month layoff.
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:33 PM
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Every year I'm baffled as to why the Cigar Mile is potentially a determining factor in the Sprint Eclipse. While I understand that at Aqueduct it is a 1 turn race it still isnt contested at a sprint distance.
I think it is used as the final opportunity in years where no one distinguished themselves. The sprint division this year is pretty much the definition of that, with Points Offthebench the only 2 time Grade I winner.

No one can really be happy about Secret Circle winning the Eclipse off of that slow, ugly BC Sprint win over the unstoppable Laugh Track.

I'm not saying it's right, but its status as a potential definitive race in this division was cemented when Kodiak Kowboy used it to win the Eclipse in 2009.
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Old 11-18-2013, 05:59 PM
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I think it is used as the final opportunity in years where no one distinguished themselves. The sprint division this year is pretty much the definition of that, with Points Offthebench the only 2 time Grade I winner.

No one can really be happy about Secret Circle winning the Eclipse off of that slow, ugly BC Sprint win over the unstoppable Laugh Track.

I'm not saying it's right, but its status as a potential definitive race in this division was cemented when Kodiak Kowboy used it to win the Eclipse in 2009.
Has a horse ever won the sprint eclipse without winning a graded race at 6f that year?
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:34 PM
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Aldebaran?
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Old 11-18-2013, 06:48 PM
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Rubiano, if I recall correctly.
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Old 11-18-2013, 07:37 PM
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Old 11-18-2013, 11:18 PM
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Has a horse ever won the sprint eclipse without winning a graded race at 6f that year?
Forego for sure....and I bet Dr. Fager.
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:20 AM
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Fun race to handicap. Hope NYRA can produce a great Pick 4 sequence. These one turn miles with the combo of speed sprinters and route speed horses are always fun to watch and bet. I'm a big fan of the pace projector from Timeform and am looking forward to seeing their analysis..
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Old 11-19-2013, 09:18 AM
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All four listed won the Eclipse without winning a graded 6f race.
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Old 11-20-2013, 11:52 AM
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Flat Out may well be running as well.
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