CHRB investigates odds manipulation

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

What is hard about that?

Also, could you point out a time or two where he has bet 30k on a 30-1 ML horse and didn't cancel? I sure don't remember any.

I don't know how hard it will be, but you'd imagine they're not eager to inhibit his action. As to other spots, I don't know his day to day ledger but you also get the feeling he may like the notoriety that the cancels are generating.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I don't know how hard it will be, but you'd imagine they're not eager to inhibit his action. As to other spots, I don't know his day to day ledger but you also get the feeling he may like the notoriety that the cancels are generating.

What a loser.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Kasept

I don't know how hard it will be, but you'd imagine they're not eager to inhibit his action. As to other spots, I don't know his day to day ledger but you also get the feeling he may like the notoriety that the cancels are generating.

My point was exactly what you are saying. Of course it is simple to stop these cancellations if they want to do so. They obviously don't.

He isn't doing it because he changed his mind as you said. That money was never staying in the pool.

[cmorioles]

Obviously anybody that follows the game knew that money was coming out. That, in and of itself, isn't a big deal. But where does the line get drawn? Next time maybe he does that on every horses and cancels with 30 seconds to post. It is a slippery slope when the tracks let guys play games with the tote

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Obviously anybody that follows the game knew that money was coming out. That, in and of itself, isn't a big deal. But where does the line get drawn? Next time maybe he does that on every horses and cancels with 30 seconds to post. It is a slippery slope when the tracks let guys play games with the tote

How about doing it for the integrity of the game, or does that matter at all?

The pool was certainly manipulated because of his bet, whether there was an ulterior motive or not. I don't believe it was just a honest change of mind though but thats almost irrelevant in terms of protecting the betting public, which does not seem that important in this business.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

How about doing it for the integrity of the game, or does that matter at all?

The pool was certainly manipulated because of his bet, whether there was an ulterior motive or not. I don't believe it was just a honest change of mind though but thats almost irrelevant in terms of protecting the betting public, which does not seem that important in this business.

Think this cuts to the heart of the issue. People should be able to cancel and all, but this situation gets into an arena that violates the spirit of that largess and simply deflates the wagering public's confidence/interest.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Think this cuts to the heart of the issue. People should be able to cancel and all, but this situation gets into an arena that violates the spirit of that largess and simply deflates the wagering public's confidence/interest.

Maybe at Santa Anita they would have said no to something like this, but as you said Xpressbet has a much larger interest in this customer.

[Alabama Stakes]

remember the mad bomber at gulfstream in the winter of 94 ? used to make a hoss 1-9 first flash and watch him drift up. he wasn't a canceller though