FRIDAY 11/1 (SA): 30th Breeders' Cup

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by Scav

I don't disagree about the 1 day opinion but I do disagree about her 'being in the barn'. She is a California based horse for a trainer that rarely ships, and ran all the races in her backyard, like Sylmar did.

And I don't disagree about yesterday being a toss out for Sylmar based on the exact thing you said in terms of them not pointing to the race and to a lesser extent the track.

I don't have an opinion on who would win, but if I was voting, I would vote for Beholder.

There are no races for 3 year old fillies in the West from May-September?

My overall point is that if Beholder wins the eclipse essentially Ed Stanco will be getting penalized for a sporting gesture running her, as she was the clear leader before the Distaff.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

There are no races for 3 year old fillies in the West from May-September?

My overall point is that if Beholder wins the eclipse essentially Ed Stanco will be getting penalized for a sporting gesture running her, as she was the clear leader before the Distaff.

It would be June cause she ran in May in KY. And the only straight 3 non turf race is the Torrey Pines, which she won at Del Mar.

If Sylmar doesn't run in the race, and Beholder still does what she did, then I still think Beholder wins the 3 year old title.

Actually, if you think about it, maybe Sylmar running that bad on such a 'talked about' track will help her get more votes because people will be excusing it.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by Scav

It would be June cause she ran in May in KY. And the only straight 3 non turf race is the Torrey Pines, which she won at Del Mar.

If Sylmar doesn't run in the race, and Beholder still does what she did, then I still think Beholder wins the 3 year old title.

Actually, if you think about it, maybe Sylmar running that bad on such a 'talked about' track will help her get more votes because people will be excusing it.

The Hollywood Oaks is straight 3 year olds and run in June.

[Scav]

Originally Posted by Jay Frederick

The Hollywood Oaks is straight 3 year olds and run in June.

You are correct. So they missed a race, I can say the same thing about Sylmar missing a race like the Black Eyed Susan, or the Mother Goose. Wouldn't you agree that a race like the KY Oaks takes alot of out of horses. Stanco pointed for the Saratoga races, where Beholder's people pointed towards the Fall.

I get it, your fan of Princess of Sylmar, I am too, I think both are very good horses, and I'm sure you agree with that.

We can agree to disagree about who will win the Eclipse and we'll see when the voting comes out.

[Jay Frederick]

Originally Posted by Scav

You are correct. So they missed a race, I can say the same thing about Sylmar missing a race like the Black Eyed Susan, or the Mother Goose. Wouldn't you agree that a race like the KY Oaks takes alot of out of horses. Stanco pointed for the Saratoga races, where Beholder's people pointed towards the Fall.

I get it, your fan of Princess of Sylmar, I am too, I think both are very good horses, and I'm sure you agree with that.

We can agree to disagree about who will win the Eclipse and we'll see when the voting comes out.

The Black Eyed Susan is 2 weeks after the KY Oaks. You can't really compare Princess of Sylmar skipping that with Beholder not making any starts for 4 months.

I'm not really a fan of Princess of Sylmar and I don't think she'll win the eclipse. I agree with you that Beholder is going to win.

But I think Princess of Sylmar is more deserving because she was running in the important stakes while Beholder took the path of least resistance.