Pres. Administration Intentionally Lied

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by Danzig

with the way repubs are going, i doubt the dems have a lot to worry about. with the moves made on the shutdown, women's health care, voter rights, etc...i''m not about to vote for any of those R ass clowns.

THey are horrible too, no doubt...but when obama care gets going, I'm sure those clowns will get a pass.

[Danzig]

no, they won't.

the biggest reason why the repubs tried so hard to get rid of aca with their shutdown is they don't want people to get it, get used to it, and like it, and want to keep it.
it's kind of funny...the same arguments repubs have used against obamacare are the ones that were used to fight medicare, medicaid, unemployment insurance and social security-among other things.
the current health care system sucks, frankly. aca sucks too. however, we've been subsidizing others health care for years-better they have to help pay then they get 'written off' and then i pay 5 X the going rate to help pay for those with no insurance, but who got care.


all that said, i guess i'll be voting more third party candidates..or leaving ballots blank in spots.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Obama is hardly the first politician or President to have lied about something. That being said, I think this is a major lie and I think people are going to be furious about it. This was about a topic that has a direct effect on practically every American. He promised everyone that they could keep their insurance and keep their doctors. This is a total lie and he knew it was a lie.

Now millions of people are realizing that they can't keep their present insurance or doctor. This is not the kind of lie that people are going to forgive. This is not like the "I didn't have sex with that woman" lie. The Clinton lie didn't affect people's lives.

Obama is a pretty smooth talker and he can usually talk his way out of most things. But I don't see any way he can talk his way out of this lie. I think you will see his popularity numbers plummet over the next few weeks.

[Danzig]

one, i don't know why anyone would believe any politician, ever.
two, it's been said all over, including here (and linked from fact check among others) since he first made the claim, that there was NO guarantee you'd be able to keep your coverage. it was bs then, it's bs now, it's been bs all along.


the aca is the most convoluted clusterfu** to come out of d.c. in god knows how long-it may be the biggest mess of a law EVER. all the contortions being engaged in, in order to get health care for everyone.
i know some don't like the thought of single payer-it would have been the best way to handle it. that way, everyone was covered. no subsidies, no employer offered coverage, no website trying to link to every other bureau that has some say in if you get a subsidy, how much, if you qualify, are you a citizen, married, income, kids....oh, one moved mid-year..oh, you got a divorce. now you have to pay back part of last years subsidy....
oh, you're working for someone who offers group coverage? well, no subsidy for you-you can only get that if you buy thru an exchange.
how many people will want their employer to get rid of their healthcare plan, so they can get a subsidy?

what a mess. all to avoid single payer.
if you marry, divorce, a child graduates and moves out (goes in the service maybe?) you change jobs, maybe get a raise...all that figures in the following year for that years subsidy. and we all know that life doesn't only change on 12/31 of each year.

oh boy.


all i can say to those who are caught by surprise now-guess you shoulda been paying attention the last four-five years.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Danzig

one, i don't know why anyone would believe any politician, ever.
two, it's been said all over, including here (and linked from fact check among others) since he first made the claim, that there was NO guarantee you'd be able to keep your coverage. it was bs then, it's bs now, it's been bs all along.


the aca is the most convoluted clusterfu** to come out of d.c. in god knows how long-it may be the biggest mess of a law EVER. all the contortions being engaged in, in order to get health care for everyone.
i know some don't like the thought of single payer-it would have been the best way to handle it. that way, everyone was covered. no subsidies, no employer offered coverage, no website trying to link to every other bureau that has some say in if you get a subsidy, how much, if you qualify, are you a citizen, married, income, kids....oh, one moved mid-year..oh, you got a divorce. now you have to pay back part of last years subsidy....
oh, you're working for someone who offers group coverage? well, no subsidy for you-you can only get that if you buy thru an exchange.
how many people will want their employer to get rid of their healthcare plan, so they can get a subsidy?

what a mess. all to avoid single payer.
if you marry, divorce, a child graduates and moves out (goes in the service maybe?) you change jobs, maybe get a raise...all that figures in the following year for that years subsidy. and we all know that life doesn't only change on 12/31 of each year.

oh boy.


all i can say to those who are caught by surprise now-guess you shoulda been paying attention the last four-five years.

You are right. There were plenty of people who predicted this all along. Most Republicans claimed it all along. It was one of those things where Obama was claiming one thing and the Republicans were claiming the opposite. I think most conservative voters believed the Republicans and most liberal voters believed Obama. Most of the people in the middle probably weren't sure who to believe.

Anyway, the truth is finally coming out. It is probably no surprise to 40% of the population but I think it's a surprise to everyone else including the liberal media. Even NBC is making a big deal out of this (and I think they should).

I think this is a huge deal. There have been several little things that have happened over the last few years that have hurt both parties but I don't think any of those things compare to this. I think this is a deal changer. I think this will really hurt the democrats. I could be wrong. We will see what happens.

[Danzig]

i wouldn't go so far as to say one party said one thing, the other party another. has more to do with common sense and reality, not party politics. and neither party seems to have much ability to exhibit common sense or delve into reality.

Originally Posted by Danzig

what a mess. all to avoid single payer.