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[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Fast Company


"Over the past four seasons, Juan Pierre has been one of the most durable players and one of baseball's most serious threats to take an extra base. Pierre's rankings from 2003-06:

Games 648 (T-1st)
Hits 810 (3rd)
Triples 45 (2nd)
Steals 225 (1st)"

Are you kidn' me? J.D. PEW does us an incredible favor by leaving.This guy is 10 times the competitor as that dung.Steve Garvey use to get over 200 hits,and not that many Home Runs,and he was by far the most valuable Dodger player in the '70s.A lot of teams wanted Pierre.If he comes anywhere close to the effort Furcal gave us,then he is worth every cent,and will play in the playoffs(and I doubt Nomar will........one tight pitch and he will pull a 3rd of the muscles in his body(trying to get out of the way.)

I'm praying that Pierre is close to Furcals effort! Nomar will be in great shape, as Mia will have him on a tight regamin(sp)this winter,lol

[pmayjr]

Pierre will be a good leadoff guy for them I think. If he can hit .280, he's gonna steal 50-60 bases easy. Even if you guys have a MGR who doesn't like to steal, if you don't use Pierre for that purpose, then what was the point of signing him? So Pierre will do pretty well there I think. A large part of Pierre in Chi-town last year was the first part of the season with the Cubs. He was in a huge slump, but he played better in the 2nd half. If he gets off to a better start, he'll have a big year.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Pierre will be a good leadoff guy for them I think. If he can hit .280, he's gonna steal 50-60 bases easy. Even if you guys have a MGR who doesn't like to steal, if you don't use Pierre for that purpose, then what was the point of signing him? So Pierre will do pretty well there I think. A large part of Pierre in Chi-town last year was the first part of the season with the Cubs. He was in a huge slump, but he played better in the 2nd half. If he gets off to a better start, he'll have a big year.

Pierre is a terrible lead off hitter. He has no power, never walks, has a mediocre sb%, plays a so-so CF. He simply is not a top player and is certainly not worth the contract that the Dodgers gave him.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Pierre is a terrible lead off hitter. He has no power, never walks, has a mediocre sb%, plays a so-so CF. He simply is not a top player and is certainly not worth the contract that the Dodgers gave him.

Well,Cannon,lets be honest here.The Dodgers missed out on signing the blue chip power hitters.Drew left.Pierre stole 58 bases last year.That's 58 singles or walks(I agree mainly singles) turned into doubles.Furcal stole 38,and it seemed like 80.He got caught 13 versus 20 for Pierre.These 2 should compliment each other beautifully.They both get a lot of hits,and if the other one is on 2nd base(after stealing,) then it should work well. I wish Pierre had better power(like Furcal,) but if you get 200 hits,play 162 games,and get 58 stolen bases,then you are a valuable player.I'D SAY THAT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF POWER,They did pay a little too much to Pierre.You have to remember that the Dodgers gave Kent 10 mil last year,and only got 14 bombs.So,we are use to guys ripping us off.Again,that was caused by injuries(played just 115 games.)I think getting a guy that plays 162 games,and gets over 200 hits is pretty valuable.Old guys with power are risky.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,Cannon,lets be honest here.The Dodgers missed out on signing the blue chip power hitters.Drew left.Pierre stole 58 bases last year.That's 58 singles or walks(I agree mainly singles) turned into doubles.Furcal stole 38,and it seemed like 80.He got caught 13 versus 20 for Pierre.These 2 should compliment each other beautifully.They both get a lot of hits,and if the other one is on 2nd base(after stealing,) then it should work well. I wish Pierre had better power(like Furcal,) but if you get 200 hits,play 162 games,and get 58 stolen bases,then you are a valuable player.I'D SAY THAT BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF POWER,They did pay a little too much to Pierre.You have to remember that the Dodgers gave Kent 10 mil last year,and only got 14 bombs.So,we are use to guys ripping us off.Again,that was caused by injuries(played just 115 games.)I think getting a guy that plays 162 games,and gets over 200 hits is pretty valuable.Old guys with power are risky.

He get 195 singles, turns some of them into doubles but also turns a lot into outs. A guy on baseball prospectus put it best. He said that Pierre is a typical 70's style player, slap hitter, speed, etc. except that does not translate well into the way the modern game is played. Eventually all those 162 game seasons will start to take effect and guys who only have one asset, speed, are the ones that lose it quicker than any others. Plus his defense is mediocre and his arm is awful. If he could walk 40 times more and steal 80 bases he may be close to worth the contract despite the defense but is he really any better than Kenny Lofton for a whole lot more $$$. Not that Sarge,jr is worth what he is getting but he is a much better defensive player and has much more power than Pierre. Dodgers would have been better off holding on to the money.

[pmayjr]

Scuds,
You bring up an interesting point about the 2 complimenting each other nicely. A couple of years ago when the Marlins won the World Series, they had Juan Pierre hitting leadoff, and Luis Castillo hitting #2. They're both great base stealers and both can hit for average. So I actually thought Luis Castillo in those years was mis-used being in the #2 hole. He does a good job hitting, and chopping balls to move guys up on base. As a Twins fan I got to see that first hand. But you're mis-using another guy who can steal so many bases by putting him right behind Pierre.

It seems like now with Furcal and Pierre it could be part 2 for that. I'm not sure who you would bat lead-off. Pierre seems the more pure Lead-off guy to me, but it is a close call. But what I'm getting at, is whoever you choose to bat lead-off. Why not move the other guy down to like 7th in the order? A guy in the 7 hole doesn't have to be a run producer in my eyes. That's what 3-6 are for. That way you can get a bonafied decent hitter and baserunner at the bottom of your order.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Scuds,
You bring up an interesting point about the 2 complimenting each other nicely. A couple of years ago when the Marlins won the World Series, they had Juan Pierre hitting leadoff, and Luis Castillo hitting #2. They're both great base stealers and both can hit for average. So I actually thought Luis Castillo in those years was mis-used being in the #2 hole. He does a good job hitting, and chopping balls to move guys up on base. As a Twins fan I got to see that first hand. But you're mis-using another guy who can steal so many bases by putting him right behind Pierre.

It seems like now with Furcal and Pierre it could be part 2 for that. I'm not sure who you would bat lead-off. Pierre seems the more pure Lead-off guy to me, but it is a close call. But what I'm getting at, is whoever you choose to bat lead-off. Why not move the other guy down to like 7th in the order? A guy in the 7 hole doesn't have to be a run producer in my eyes. That's what 3-6 are for. That way you can get a bonafied decent hitter and baserunner at the bottom of your order.

Furcal deserves to lead off.He has a better on base % because he gets on with both hits n' walks.He seems to take 2nd with ease(one of the most professional base stealers ever....I mean the guy can certainly read a pitcher's move.)Then you have a guy like Pierre slashing the ball for a run -scoring single,or an infield hit.Then you bring up someone to power both runs in,or sacrifice fly Furcal home.This team performs best when Furcal is getting across that plate (manufactured runs.)