govt shutdown looms

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the people responsible for this mess should have been the first on the 'do not pay' list.
term limits
has to be a budget
just two of the rules that should be instituted, immediately, for congress.

Jonathan Karl interview with that whacko Cruz on tonites ABC eve news...wasn't his shutdown

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ted...0/17/id/531704

[Danzig]

yeah, it was the dems fault because they wouldn't 'compromise'.

love the 'mule' advice!!

[bigrun]

Sounds like a plan..

Psychology 101 -


If you start with a cage containing five monkeys and inside the cage, hang a banana on a string from the top and then you place a set of stairs under the banana, before long a monkey will go to the stairs and climb toward the banana.


As soon as he touches the stairs, you spray all the other monkeys with cold water.


After a while another monkey makes an attempt with same result... all the other monkeys are sprayed with cold water. Pretty soon when another monkey tries to climb the stairs, the other monkeys will try to prevent it.


Now, put the cold water away.Remove one monkey from the cage and replace it with a new one. The new monkey sees the banana and attempts to climb the stairs. To his shock, all of the other monkeys beat the crap out of him. After another attempt and attack, he knows that if he tries to climb the stairs he will be assaulted.


Next, remove another of the original five monkeys, replacing it with a new one.


The newcomer goes to the stairs and is attacked. The previous newcomer takes part in the punishment...... with enthusiasm, because he is now part of the "team".

Then, replace a third original monkey with a new one, followed by the fourth, then the fifth. Every time the newest monkey takes to the stairs, he is attacked.

Now, the monkeys that are beating him up have no idea why they were not permitted to climb the stairs. Neither do they know why they are participating in the beating of the newest monkey.


Finally, having replaced all of the original monkeys, none of the remaining monkeys will have ever been sprayed with cold water. Nevertheless, not one of the monkeys will try to climb the stairway for the banana.

Why, you ask? Because in their minds...that is the way it has always been!

This, my friends, is how Congress operates... and this is why, from time to time:



ALL of the monkeys need to be REPLACED AT THE SAME TIME.

My takeaway: R's and the Tea Party get an F for a failed strategy that was doomed from the start. Obama and the D's get an F for rolling out what was supposed to be his legacy program with more bugs in it than the Edsel.

Wonder how long it's going to be before somebody starts accusing the anti-Obamacare forces of hacking the websites. Surprised we haven't heard that yet.

[Danzig]

have to say the website issues do not surprise me at all. knowing what agencies had to be tied into it, it was doomed from the start.
hell the va and dod can't communicate, and we expect a health exchange that has to be tied in to the irs, ins, health co's, etc, wili work?

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

My takeaway: R's and the Tea Party get an F for a failed strategy that was doomed from the start. Obama and the D's get an F for rolling out what was supposed to be his legacy program with more bugs in it than the Edsel.

Wonder how long it's going to be before
somebody starts accusing the anti-Obamacare forces of hacking the websites. Surprised we haven't heard that yet.

You just did...i like it tho..

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

My takeaway: R's and the Tea Party get an F for a failed strategy that was doomed from the start. Obama and the D's get an F for rolling out what was supposed to be his legacy program with more bugs in it than the Edsel.

Wonder how long it's going to be before somebody starts accusing the anti-Obamacare forces of hacking the websites. Surprised we haven't heard that yet.

you would have heard a lot more about the problems with the rollout had the air not been sucked out of the room by the spectacle of republicans lighting themselves on fire.

there has to a grade below "f" for a political strategy that everyone outside of texas could see had no possible result that wasn't either disasterous for your party or the country as a whole and as an added bonus provided cover for the problems rolling out the law you opposed.

with opponents like this, who needs friends?

[geeker2]

So why did the Tea Party do it?


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...rly-failed-to/


Hume said:

"Veteran political observers on both the left and right are still trying to figure out what the House Tea Party caucus and its Senate pied piper Ted Cruz were thinking when they insisted on using the threat of a government shutdown to defund ObamaCare.

"It was a hopeless strategy that has not only failed in its stated goal, but helped send the Republican Party to its lowest favorability ratings ever.

"In conventional terms, it seems inexplicable, but Senator Cruz and his adherents do not view things in conventional terms. They look back over the past half-century, including the supposedly golden era of Ronald Reagan, and see the uninterrupted forward march of the American left. Entitlement spending never stopped growing. The regulatory state continued to expand. The national debt grew and grew and finally in the Obama years, exploded. They see an American population becoming unrecognizable from the free and self-reliant people they thought they knew. And they see the Republican Party as having utterly failed to stop the drift toward an unfree nation supervised by an overweening and bloated bureaucracy. They are not interested in Republican policies that merely slow the growth of this leviathan. They want to stop it and reverse it. And they want to show their supporters they'll try anything to bring that about.

"And if some of those things turn out to be reckless and doomed, well so be it."

[dellinger63]

Wow didn't take long to resume throwing money out the window. And of all things, arming a country sympathetic with an enemy of ours.

Not only $1.6 billion wasted but potentially used against our troops.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2...tan-assistance

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by geeker2

So why did the Tea Party do it?


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...rly-failed-to/


Hume said:

"Veteran political observers on both the left and right are still trying to figure out what the House Tea Party caucus and its Senate pied piper Ted Cruz were thinking when they insisted on using the threat of a government shutdown to defund ObamaCare.

"It was a hopeless strategy that has not only failed in its stated goal, but helped send the Republican Party to its lowest favorability ratings ever.

"In conventional terms, it seems inexplicable, but Senator Cruz and his adherents do not view things in conventional terms. They look back over the past half-century, including the supposedly golden era of Ronald Reagan, and see the uninterrupted forward march of the American left. Entitlement spending never stopped growing. The regulatory state continued to expand. The national debt grew and grew and finally in the Obama years, exploded. They see an American population becoming unrecognizable from the free and self-reliant people they thought they knew. And they see the Republican Party as having utterly failed to stop the drift toward an unfree nation supervised by an overweening and bloated bureaucracy. They are not interested in Republican policies that merely slow the growth of this leviathan. They want to stop it and reverse it. And they want to show their supporters they'll try anything to bring that about.

"And if some of those things turn out to be reckless and doomed, well so be it."

they completely ignored 'the three things necessary to win a war'. one is that it is winnable. this wasn't. another is that you have a good reason. they didn't.
it was a spectacular self-immolation.n much ventured, nothing gained. they lost ground.

it was a perfect example of what the rupublican party as a whole is doing. they want more voters, wish to regain lost footing, yet continue to blindly stagger down the same trail that has gotten them in their present state.