10/5 (KEE): Shadwell, Futurity, First Lady (G1's), TCA (G2), Woodford (G3)

[jms62]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

BIG difference between having a bias that lasts a few weeks and this...

"The same NY that increasingly continues to give us some of the most biased tracks, both turf and dirt, in the history of the sport?"

Which is what the original poster said.

I will concede that point Nick but have we not had a front end turf bias at Saratoga the last 2 meets?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by jms62

I will concede that point Nick but have we not had a front end turf bias at Saratoga the last 2 meets?

No, I don't think so, at least not for more than a few days. This year, it was advantageous to be on the lead on both turf courses from Travers day through the final day where all races were on turf (Friday, August 30). There were a few exceptions, but in general, the courses were biased on those days.

The 2012 meet did not have a bias in my recollection. If anything, that meet was plagued by unaggressive riding on the turf.

The dirt this year was fair. There were situations in 2012 when it was drying out where it was advantageous to be on the lead. Travers day was the closest to a bias there was all meet at Saratoga when the rail was strong. T

In sum, the allegation that the tracks in NY are the most biased in the history of racing is colossally stupid, and untrue.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

No, I don't think so, at least not for more than a few days. This year, it was advantageous to be on the lead on both turf courses from Travers day through the final day where all races were on turf (Friday, August 30). There were a few exceptions, but in general, the courses were biased on those days.

The 2012 meet did not have a bias in my recollection. If anything, that meet was plagued by unaggressive riding on the turf.

The dirt this year was fair. There were situations in 2012 when it was drying out where it was advantageous to be on the lead. Travers day was the closest to a bias there was all meet at Saratoga when the rail was strong. T

In sum, the allegation that the tracks in NY are the most biased in the history of racing is colossally stupid, and untrue.

Fair enough. I see horses going to the lead time after time on the turf for the last 2 meets and not be caught and call is a bias. You call it unaggressive riding.

[South Beach Luv]

My wife and I have seen Wise Dan race three times and those three times were his last three losses, each loss coming on a different surface. I think we're bad luck

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by South Beach Luv

My wife and I have seen Wise Dan race three times and those three times were his last three losses, each loss coming on a different surface. I think we're bad luck

I hope you have no plans of going to the BC this year...

Originally Posted by South Beach Luv

My wife and I have seen Wise Dan race three times and those three times were his last three losses, each loss coming on a different surface. I think we're bad luck

I hope you have plans on going to the BC this year

[South Beach Luv]

Originally Posted by outofthebox

I hope you have no plans of going to the BC this year...

Originally Posted by helicopter11

I hope you have plans on going to the BC this year

Haha nice. And we're not going. I thought maybe if I win the Xpressbet contest:

http://www.xpressbet.com/BCXperienceRules

But just checked and you can't win if you live in IL.