What did we learn...Pre BC?

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I would wait through the weekend before making that assumption...

I'll be using Palace Malice coming out of the JCGC, noting Welsh's workout reports since he is usually a fantastic worker.

I didn't hate Authenticity's last race -- just the trip she received. The field is looking very short for the Lady's Classic.

Steve Haskin ‏@SteveHaskin
Despite getting beat 6 3/4 lengths in the JC Gold Cup, Palace Malice's time would have won the previous nine Gold Cups. #freakywinner

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Steve Haskin ‏@SteveHaskin
Despite getting beat 6 3/4 lengths in the JC Gold Cup, Palace Malice's time would have won the previous nine Gold Cups. #freakywinner

Those kinds of comments do more harm than good.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Those kinds of comments do more harm than good.

Care to elaborate? Not being wise, just curious....

[Calzone Lord]

The surface changes speed day to day, let alone year to year.

[cmorioles]

I saw those comments on Twitter and was literally laughing out loud. I knew it would be a topic of discussion here.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The surface changes speed day to day, let alone year to year.

Not only that, it often changes between races, particularly when a few turf races are thrown in between. Assuming the JCGC track speed was the same as the other dirt races is a pretty big leap.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I saw those comments on Twitter and was literally laughing out loud. I knew it would be a topic of discussion here.



Not only that, it often changes between races, particularly when a few turf races are thrown in between. Assuming the JCGC track speed was the same as the other dirt races is a pretty big leap.

So, wait, you're telling us that Ron the Greek wouldn't have beaten Borrego, who won his Gold Cup by eight lengths, by 20 lengths?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So, wait, you're telling us that Ron the Greek wouldn't have beaten Borrego, who won his Gold Cup by eight lengths, by 20 lengths?

Just taking a shot in the dark, I'll say no.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

So, wait, you're telling us that Ron the Greek wouldn't have beaten Borrego, who won his Gold Cup by eight lengths, by 20 lengths?

That Borrego Gold Cup is one of Durkins best calls, I love it.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Care to elaborate? Not being wise, just curious....

Raw times are meaningless, especially over different years, and confusing people by suggesting otherwise does no good....and harms the uninitiated that don't understand that.

In order to improve fan understanding of the game, the last thing we need to do is mislead them, and comments like that are misleading.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Raw times are meaningless, especially over different years, and confusing people by suggesting otherwise does no good....and harms the uninitiated that don't understand that.

In order to improve fan understanding of the game, the last thing we need to do is mislead them, and comments like that are misleading.

Would love to hear a possible explanation from Glen Kozak. More specifically, a technical discussion to help people understand the nuances of track maintenance.

[randallscott35]

You mean Monarchos wouldn't have won every Derby but Secretariat's? I'm crushed....time only matters in prison boys and girls.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

....raw time only matters in prison boys and girls.

FTFY. Accurately timed races matter a lot if you know how to use them.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Would love to hear a possible explanation from Glen Kozak. More specifically, a technical discussion to help people understand the nuances of track maintenance.

I assume this was meant as a nonsequitur?

[GenuineRisk]

Jay Cronley's column about his handicapping on the Gold Cup was entertaining reading:

http://espn.go.com/horse-racing/stor...988/we-execute

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I assume this was meant as a nonsequitur?

Absolutely not.