Pacific Classic Official time vs trakus

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

does EVD have trakus?

It seems in this case Trakus has it right and has found a human error.

i doubt they do, especially considering the glaring errors he showed in that thread.

[freddymo]

If Game on ran a 105 then its the fastest 105 in the history of the sport and while all 105's aren't created equally all 105's should be 105. That SOB was cooking

[randallscott35]

I don't see why the 105 is so hard to believe. Huge figs on Synthetic are hard to come by similar to turf....people get too hung up on this. IMO

[cmorioles]

The top row is the 2013 race, the bottom row the 2012 race. I took a snapshot of each race when the opening of the starting gate is complete and noted the time in 100ths of a second on the video. I then took a similar snapshot as close as possible to the first horse hitting the wire for the first time, the 1/4 mile. Granted, these times are not perfect, but they are very close.

I then simply subtract the time I noted at the starting gate from the time I note on the finish line the 1st time.

2013	Break to finish		 30.33 -   5.64 =  24.69 Reported:  24.19
2012	Break to finish		 33.73 -   8.51 =  25.22 Reported:  23.61

Projected 2013 actual 1/4 mile time:  
24.69 - (25.22 - 23.61) = 23.08 (Trakus 22.91)

I think that is pretty clear evidence that Trakus is MUCH closer (and probably dead on) to the real time than the teletimer was for this race.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I don't see why the 105 is so hard to believe. Huge figs on Synthetic are hard to come by similar to turf....people get too hung up on this. IMO

Generally fast figures on turf have to do with slow paces, this was not the case here, and the final time was very quick.

Timeform has it correct anyways, thats all that matters to me.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I don't see why the 105 is so hard to believe. Huge figs on Synthetic are hard to come by similar to turf....people get too hung up on this. IMO

A horse wins a grade 1 million dollar race by a pole against some pretty solid horses and you think 105 makes sense?

[randallscott35]

The rest of the horses didn't fire. Was stacked up behind with claimers as close as Graded winners back there. Nice race by Game On but the winning margin was a mirage.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

A horse wins a grade 1 million dollar race by a pole against some pretty solid horses and you think 105 makes sense?

See above...I'm not saying 105 is correct, but what does it matter. Would 110 make you happier? The purse is the same. Time only matters in jail.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

The rest of the horses didn't fire. Was stacked up behind with claimers as close as Graded winners back there. Nice race by Game On but the winning margin was a mirage.

10 horses didnt fire

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by freddymo

10 horses didnt fire

Why not? Most of these don't want 10 panels to begin with and there was no pace pressure.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Why not? Most of these don't want 10 panels to begin with and there was no pace pressure.

It's just not plausible that not one of the horses in the race fired a Par effort for their ability. These aren't First time starters or maidens

[randallscott35]

Tarvers looks high to me if you want to complain about a fig...but I don't lose sleep over this stuff like most.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Tarvers looks high to me if you want to complain about a fig...but I don't lose sleep over this stuff like most.

I have the Travers as a poor race. The point here isn't really about the figures though, it is about the actual timing of the race. Why, in 2013, is this so difficult to get right?

[asudevil]

Jay Privman ‏@DRFPrivman 10m
Game On Dude's Beyer Speed Figure for the Pacific Classic is 109. #delmar

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

See above...I'm not saying 105 is correct, but what does it matter. Would 110 make you happier? The purse is the same. Time only matters in jail.

Yeah, that is why the vast majority of odds lines these days can be set by the Beyer figures, because nobody pays attention to figures.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by asudevil

Jay Privman ‏@DRFPrivman 10m
Game On Dude's Beyer Speed Figure for the Pacific Classic is 109. #delmar

Keeps creeping up, 105, then 106, now 109...should be 120 by this evening.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I have the Travers as a poor race. The point here isn't really about the figures though, it is about the actual timing of the race. Why, in 2013, is this so difficult to get right?

Fair enough. Agreed

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Keeps creeping up, 105, then 106, now 109...should be 120 by this evening.

Crazy, huh? Whatever the fig, it was a sublime performance.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yeah, that is why the vast majority of odds lines these days can be set by the Beyer figures, because nobody pays attention to figures.

Which is why the public lemmings jumped off the cliff with Verrazano off that fig in the Haskell....I liked Moreno as I posted. Pace makes the race. Always.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Which is why the public lemmings jumped off the cliff with Verrazano off that fig in the Haskell....I liked Moreno as I posted. Pace makes the race. Always.

Actually, he went off a lot higher than I thought he would.