Ed DeRosa tweets get attention after the Shuvee

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

They were good. Just seemed odd she was never tried against males in the big races. Lets not pretend like her connections were on some mission to seek out any and all competition. That is all I'm saying.

John Shirreffs is the most conservative trainer I have met, before him Paco Gonzales. Had hole strings of nice horses in barn yet never ran them.

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

John Shirreffs is the most conservative trainer I have met, before him Paco Gonzales. Had hole strings of nice horses in barn yet never ran them.

that's the point. just cuz Sherrifs was too big of a mook to realize what he should have been doing. Don't blame the hoss. She did everything asked of her. Deserved to run in the big Cap and at Saratoga. Even in her lone defeat, she ran huge, and just missed to a really game hoss. Some of her races, she looked impossibly beaten , and still got up. A couple of hosses who almost beat her, ran tremendous and still lost. If you had Gio ponti, I'm sure you thought you were home free... sherrifs for not running her against tougher = bad. Zenyatta = good. Get it straight.

[Danzig]

mook or no mook, zens owners and trainer made their bed with her, and they can't complain now if she doesn't get what they think is due her.
you want your horse to be considered great, you run her like she's great. you don't run her like she's not, and then get offended when people say her schedule didn't allow her to prove what she 'could' be. all we know is what she actually did.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

mook or no mook, zens owners and trainer made their bed with her, and they can't complain now if she doesn't get what they think is due her.
you want your horse to be considered great, you run her like she's great. you don't run her like she's not, and then get offended when people say her schedule didn't allow her to prove what she 'could' be. all we know is what she actually did.

It sounds like you don't think she was great, is that the prevailing sentiment?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

It sounds like you don't think she was great, is that the prevailing sentiment?

i can't speak for everyone, not sure it's the prevailing sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i can't speak for everyone, not sure it's the prevailing sentiment.

Whats your sentiment?

[Danzig]

i'm one of those who thinks time has to go by in order to put a horse (or anything) in a proper context. was zenyatta a great horse? i don't know.
if she's talked of in 20 years, perhaps. a horse has to do great things to be great. a horse has to stand the test of time. a winning streak alone isn't a mark of greatness (witness pepper's pride for instance). people like those, but it seems to happen with greater frequency these days, rather than with less.
you can't do the usual, and expect to get unusual accolades. they didn't test the mare. i love, love, love the story of round table. dr. fager, who hated grass but would not give up, and won on a turf course he didn't like. who carried high weight, and broke the mile record. forego, kelso, war admiral who suffered an injury that could have caused retirement during the belmont, and won the race anyway. that is greatness.