Ed DeRosa tweets get attention after the Shuvee

[10 pnt move up]

Too further my point lets take Game On Dude, who by every measure is a very very good horse. He has run on dirt and synthetic, in exclusively grade 1 or 2 competition, ran extremely fast figures, ran a super second in the BC Classic while shipping to Churchill but he has yet to win at Saratoga, and to a lesser extent Belmont. There is a perception out there that he just is ok and winning because he runs in California where the reality is he wins because he is very very good.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Too further my point lets take Game On Dude, who by every measure is a very very good horse. He has run on dirt and synthetic, in exclusively grade 1 or 2 competition, ran extremely fast figures, ran a super second in the BC Classic while shipping to Churchill but he has yet to win at Saratoga, and to a lesser extent Belmont. There is a perception out there that he just is ok and winning because he runs in California where the reality is he wins because he is very very good.

I am lost on this Saratoga point. I don't care whether a horse runs during this 6 week meet or not, just the general level of competition wherever it is. AQ is fine. And pretty in November.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I am lost on this Saratoga point. I don't care whether a horse runs during this 6 week meet or not, just the general level of competition wherever it is. AQ is fine. And pretty in November.

What don't you get about Ed's tweet, that was his very point.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

What don't you get about Ed's tweet, that was his very point.

He said EAST, not Saratoga...I think I read it fine. But continue your rant on nothing.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

He said EAST, not Saratoga...I think I read it fine. But continue your rant on nothing.

You can continue saying Zenyatta ran twice on dirt, if you make things up on the internet they must be facts.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

You can continue saying Zenyatta ran twice on dirt, if you make things up on the internet they must be facts.

So it was 3? I missed an Apple Blossom? I can't keep up....Did you sign in on Zenyatta's website. Here is the link. With her races. I'm so mixed up these days.

http://www.zenyatta.com/racing_career

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

He said EAST, not Saratoga...I think I read it fine. But continue your rant on nothing.

and I am sure he meant Monmouth or West Virginia.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

and I am sure he meant Monmouth or West Virginia.

Ahhh ok. So he didn't say Saratoga....Are you John Shirreffs? Welcome to DT.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Too further my point lets take Game On Dude, who by every measure is a very very good horse. He has run on dirt and synthetic, in exclusively grade 1 or 2 competition, ran extremely fast figures, ran a super second in the BC Classic while shipping to Churchill but he has yet to win at Saratoga, and to a lesser extent Belmont. There is a perception out there that he just is ok and winning because he runs in California where the reality is he wins because he is very very good.

This is complete and utter BS. You just made this up out of thin air. We praise Game on Dude constantly as arguably the best horse in the country. Please, find some examples from credible people that supports your contention.

This kind of paranoia is just plain silly.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is complete and utter BS. You just made this up out of thin air. We praise Game on Dude constantly as arguably the best horse in the country. Please, find some examples from credible people that supports your contention.

This kind of paranoia is just plain silly.

Most serious horseplayers I know are east coast guys, and they all think he is terrific.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Most serious horseplayers I know are east coast guys, and they all think he is terrific.

You know that's only because Torre is a part owner....cmon

[AlreadyHome]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

You know that's only because Torre is a part owner....cmon

LOL wow your a fire starter hahaahah go Yankees

Zenyatta is the Ultimate Mare enuff said
Her races were the most exciting to watch, wow
Watching her change gears coming on the grandstand side just
Thrilling Rrrrrrrr..
I'm still lol this thread is a funny read

[Danzig]

this tweet got me:

samantha siegel ‏@jayemesssam 20 Jul
@EJXD2 she's not her clone Ed! Big gaps between races a big clue. Stupid argument!


big gap between races? i thought that was common with shirreff horses? and if she was needing a race, then why the shuvee first off a layoff?

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by Danzig

big gap between races? i thought that was common with shirreff horses? and if she was needing a race, then why the shuvee first off a layoff?

Because their other option, a NW2X allowance race, didn't fill.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by parsixfarms

Because their other option, a NW2X allowance race, didn't fill.

again, the trainer doesn't strike me as someone who would rush, or put her in a race she wasn't ready for.
i think samantha is off on her point-i think the gate incident probably is the main reason she didn't run well.

[NavalOrange]

Why wasn't the sister scratched from the Shuvee. Did they not check her after the gate incident to realize she was hurt. My son was at the finish line and said there was quite a bit of blodd coming from her mouth. That injury had to affect her performance.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is complete and utter BS. You just made this up out of thin air. We praise Game on Dude constantly as arguably the best horse in the country. Please, find some examples from credible people that supports your contention.

This kind of paranoia is just plain silly.

Originally Posted by pointman

Where is this perception? Game on Dude has danced every dance, I have never heard anyone say that because he has won races in California he is just ok.

The criticism about Zenyatta was the level of competition she was generally placed against, not that she was based in California.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

This is complete and utter BS. You just made this up out of thin air. We praise Game on Dude constantly as arguably the best horse in the country. Please, find some examples from credible people that supports your contention.

This kind of paranoia is just plain silly.

I was not talking about you, I see your show and you know it because I make comments.

Did you see Ed's tweets, the perception among some people is out there.

[10 pnt move up]

I will pull up an older article from your partner in crime from Talking Horses last Sunday...he was making this very point after the Santa Anita Handicap, maybe the race before.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Too further my point lets take Game On Dude, who by every measure is a very very good horse. He has run on dirt and synthetic, in exclusively grade 1 or 2 competition, ran extremely fast figures, ran a super second in the BC Classic while shipping to Churchill but he has yet to win at Saratoga, and to a lesser extent Belmont. There is a perception out there that he just is ok and winning because he runs in California where the reality is he wins because he is very very good.

Where is this perception? Game on Dude has danced every dance, I have never heard anyone say that because he has won races in California he is just ok.

The criticism about Zenyatta was the level of competition she was generally placed against, not that she was based in California.