CRIST: P5 for Saratoga in state govt. procedural quandry

[ateamstupid]

I, for one, am shocked that NYRA tried to do something good for the horseplayer and got stymied by the state.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

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Sure. The pk6 player is different then the pk4 player and specifically goes for the big pool with the large $2 minimum. If anything, the pk4 pool will be more affected since the pk4 player is more likely to jump into a 50 cent pk5 minimum then the pk6 player. As a pk4 player I am one that will definitely jump into the pk5 where you can still put in a moderate size ticket and go after a monster score.

Where it will have a small effect is possibly on the pk6 carryover days where some pk4 players tend to jump into the pk6 pool in hopes of a big score but may be more reluctant to do so with the option of a pk5. However, the addition of this wager should add to overall daily handle on all wagers.

Also, I still have not heard where the pk5 will be placed, whether it will be in the last 5 races and compete directly with the pk6 or if it will be California style on the early races. At Saratoga it probably will not matter since most fields are full, but I hope they place it in the last 5 races as they tend to be fuller fields at Belmont and Aqueduct and will yield better opportunities.

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I, for one, am shocked that NYRA tried to do something good for the horseplayer and got stymied by the state.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by pointman

Sure. The pk6 player is different then the pk4 player and specifically goes for the big pool with the large $2 minimum. If anything, the pk4 pool will be more affected since the pk4 player is more likely to jump into a 50 cent pk5 minimum then the pk6 player. As a pk4 player I am one that will definitely jump into the pk5 where you can still put in a moderate size ticket and go after a monster score.

Agreed, the better argument is that it would cannibalize the Pick 4 pool (either early or late depending on where they position it), but even then, I think it'll be a net positive. I always give myself a bigger budget for a Pick 5 than for the parallel Pick 4, so the track is getting more handle from me over time if the Pick 5 is an option. The Pick 6 player, especially on non-carryover days, is basically a different species than the Pick 4/5 player.

[MaTH716]

I'm interested on where it would be placed. I don't think they could do it early either, besides the Aqu & Bel situations, you have the jump races at Saratoga. No one wants to deal with that in the sequance.

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I'm interested on where it would be placed. I don't think they could do it early either, besides the Aqu & Bel situations, you have the jump races at Saratoga. No one wants to deal with that in the sequance.

I think you have to do it from Races 1-5. If handle wanes on jump days, fine, that's a grand total of 5 days per year.

[parsixfarms]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

I think you have to do it from Races 1-5. If handle wanes on jump days, fine, that's a grand total of 5 days per year.

I agree. If the idea is that the super-exotic wagers like the pic-5/6 generate additional handle by getting players to handicap multi-race sequences, it makes sense to have the pic-5 early in the card, and let the pic-6 do the same for the tail end of the card.

[pweizer]

Payoffs have not been hampered by having it on the first five races in California and they usually have very small fields for many of those races. As long as it has the low takeout that the CA one does, it will be a great bet.

Paul