2013 Hall of Fame Inductees

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by keithting

I hate to say it (since Thoroughbred Racing needs as many positives as it can get these days)......

but Invasor's election to HOF is "really reaching"

If he didn't get in ... it would mean another jockey would have to in the new format.

Like it or not ... but if a horse come to the USA, runs just five times, wins five Grade 1's in those five races and leaves for the Dubai World Cup, wins that, and retires...it's going to be recognized as a Hall of Fame career.

If you're complaining about Invasor, just wait two or three more years.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

If he didn't get in ... it would mean another jockey would have to in the new format.

Like it or not ... but if a horse come to the USA, runs just five times, wins five Grade 1's in those five races and leaves for the Dubai World Cup, wins that, and retires...it's going to be recognized as a Hall of Fame career.

If you're complaining about Invasor, just wait two or three more years.

Unless I am missing something, a jockey does not have to get in every year.

They can put Cat Thief in the Hall of Fame for all I care. The list of those whose merits are questionable grows annually.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Unless I am missing something, a jockey does not have to get in every year.

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...56&postcount=1

Who of those 4 would you choose?

Obviously Lure, Housebuster, and Invasor are the first 3.

The rest of the list is utter garbage.

I'd probably say Gomez...even though he spent most of his career toiling in the midwest like Borel ... and he had some jail stints and substance abuse problems while in California.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/sho...56&postcount=1

Who of those 4 would you choose?

I'd probably say Gomez...even though he spent most of his career toiling in the midwest like Borel ... and he had some jail stints and substance abuse problems while in California.

Speaking of jail and substance abuse, I know Perret has some support among a group of voters. I'd vote there slightly ahead of Gomez. I don't know what you do about Antley. Those that are for him are really for him and the numbers are impressive for the duration of that insanely productive period.

ANTLEY: http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Res...hType=J&eID=56

GOMEZ: http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Res...Type=J&eID=731

PERRET: http://www.equibase.com/profiles/Res...ype=J&eID=1460

[Calzone Lord]

Under this 10 finalist and 4 get in format ... the smart thing to do would be to get the deserving old time horses on the ballot.

Hermis isn't in the Hall Of Fame ... here are his accomplishments:

U.S. Champion Three Year Old, 1902.
U. S. Horse of The Year, 1902.
U.S. Champion Handicap Horse, 1903.
U.S. Horse of The Year, 1903.
U.S. Champion Handicap Horse, 1904.
Twice matched Saratoga's track record for 1-1/8 mi

He won 28 of 55 career starts. Horse of the Year at age 3. Horse of the Year at age 4. Won the Suburban and was champion handicap horse at age 5.

At least he will keep a jockeys name off the list.

Esposa is one of the great racemares of all-time. She's not in the Hall of Fame.

I can come up with a lot of horses who would have kept Borel at this year, and more of those jockeys out in the future.

[blackthroatedwind]

I'm confused, there are people that think Craig Perret belongs in the Hall of Fame? Really?

I must be unfamiliar with his record. I am not unfamiliar with his riding.

[keithting]

Speaking of jockeys and the HOF - -

why is Mike Venezia not in?

what about Don MacBeth?