Pedigree ignored in placement

[Aly-Sheba]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Zito has always had a terrible record on the turf. I never understood why.

Bruce Levine was a guy, for many years, who couldn't win to save his life on Turf.

The horse who ran today at AQU, Bonita Sonata, how do you keep running that horse six furlongs? Irrational.

This is a little off your subject, but I find it hard to handicap back east races for maidens going long on the turf, because there are first timers who have not worked more then 5 furlong and the race is 1-1/8? You don't see many horses going long on the turf first time out on the west coast, but if they do, you will see at least a 6 furlong work or longer.

[Danzig]

reminds me of the adage, what do you call the guy who graduated last in his class in med school?
doctor.

not all trainers are good ones, obviously. and like some coaches, some trainers try to get their horse to fit their style, rather than working with the horses style. so, you get horses like the one named in the initial post. might be a good candidate for a claim.

[Linny]

Back in the 80's all these 3rd rate sons of Northern Dancer wre hitting the stud in secondary markets like NY and it took forever before trainers figured out that they were grass bred. I'd have figured that by now Finger Lakes could have filled their sumer schedule with offspring of stallions like that. Now it's Freud, a full to Giant's Causeway. In fact GC is now old enough that some of his 2nd tier sons are here too.

Now that the turf sprint is here to stay, a whole new bunch of stallions have options for success.

I was told by a fairly good trainer some time ago that in mamy cases trainers do know that a horse is route bred, but they don't think they have the best wind so they keep them short. In the winter it can be tough to train enough into them to stretch them out.

[Sir Barton]

Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba

This is a little off your subject, but I find it hard to handicap back east races for maidens going long on the turf, because there are first timers who have not worked more then 5 furlong and the race is 1-1/8? You don't see many horses going long on the turf first time out on the west coast, but if they do, you will see at least a 6 furlong work or longer.

If you use formulator click maiden sp/claim, route, and turf for each trainer in the race and I am sure you will become much better very quickly.