Top 4 2 year olds in your opinion - Page 2

The Bid · #1 11-15-2006, 02:27 PM

He will be fine, hes at the end of his wick right now. Real Heavy campaign. He will be out until the real noise starts for the Derby.

Cannon Shell · #2 11-15-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Buffy, I like Great Hunter too... I'm just wondering how much this colt will actually improve. He's been so consistent all season that it makes you wonder if he'll be able to have that jump from this year to next year as a 3 year old. He's definitely paid for himself, that's for sure... I think he was a $30k KEE Sept '05 colt. I like to see ones like him do well.

Teuflesberg is another colt that's got great action IMO. I doubt he'll be a legit derby contender, but I think he'll improve next year as a 3 year old. He moves great.

I think that Tueflesberg is a cooked goose. Maybe I'm wrong but I think that he was thrown to the wolves one too many times.

Rupert Pupkin · #3 11-15-2006, 03:26 PM

I'm looking forward to the Hollywood Prevue on Saturday. There are a few colts in there with a ton of potential. The two that I will be most interested to watch are Notional and Belgravia.

kentuckyrosesinmay · #4 11-16-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I'm looking forward to the Hollywood Prevue on Saturday. There are a few colts in there with a ton of potential. The two that I will be most interested to watch are Notional and Belgravia.

The horse that ran second to Belgravia, Silver Express just came back and won at Churchill Downs on 11/07/06. I like Silver Express (Unbridle's Song) too.

I can't believe that I forgot about Notional. I absolutely LOVED that horse after you came on the board and said something about him just after his first race.

Pedigree Ann · #5 11-16-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Buffy, I like Great Hunter too... I'm just wondering how much this colt will actually improve. He's been so consistent all season that it makes you wonder if he'll be able to have that jump from this year to next year as a 3 year old. He's definitely paid for himself, that's for sure... I think he was a $30k KEE Sept '05 colt. I like to see ones like him do well. .

Great Hunter is by Aptitude, who didn't hit his peak until he was 4; didn't even win a race at 2, didn't win a stakes at 3 (although 2nd in the Derby). His dam didn't win at 2, either, was SP at 3, and a SW at 4. It is rather amazing that he was as good at 2 as he has been. I would expect improvement as he matures.

Cannon Shell · #6 11-16-2006, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedigree Ann

Great Hunter is by Aptitude, who didn't hit his peak until he was 4; didn't even win a race at 2, didn't win a stakes at 3 (although 2nd in the Derby). His dam didn't win at 2, either, was SP at 3, and a SW at 4. It is rather amazing that he was as good at 2 as he has been. I would expect improvement as he matures.

GH is built more like a sprinter than the majority of Aptitudes. You would think he'd get better as he get older but I'm still a little skeptical.

brianwspencer · #7 11-15-2006, 02:29 PM

Based on performance this year:
1. Street Sense
2. Dreaming of Anna
3. Tiz Wonderful
4. Circular Quay

Based on how I think they will turn out as 3yo
1. Street Sense
2. Dreaming of Anna
3. Officer Rocket
4. CP West.

The Bid · #8 11-15-2006, 02:37 PM

You had better just throw Westwon in there to be safe. Hes much better than all youve mentioned with the exception of Street Sense.

brianwspencer · #9 11-15-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

You had better just throw Westwon in there to be safe. Hes much better than all youve mentioned with the exception of Street Sense.

I've been watching him, but he hasn't proven anything yet at all -- he may very well end up as good as the others, but not yet and hasn't proven that he will be.

I think Officer Rocket is going to get overlooked much of next year.

zippyneedsawin · #10 11-15-2006, 02:49 PM

Anyone who doesn't have Circular Quay on their list (as of now) is kooky! here's my list:

1) Circular Quay
2) Tiz Wonderful
3) Street Sense
4) NoBiz

smartyalex · #11 11-15-2006, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Based on performance this year:
1. Street Sense
2. Dreaming of Anna
3. Tiz Wonderful
4. Circular Quay

Based on how I think they will turn out as 3yo
1. Street Sense
2. Dreaming of Anna
3. Officer Rocket
4. CP West.

Thanks for mentioning Officer Rocket in your 3yo category. Had he not displaced in the Iriquois (which he still beat two of the seven horse field under extreme shortness of air!) I have a feeling he would be getting more respect. He is an amazing class horse who will be able to go the distance!

brianwspencer · #12 11-15-2006, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by smartyalex

Thanks for mentioning Officer Rocket in your 3yo category. Had he not displaced in the Iriquois (which he still beat two of the seven horse field under extreme shortness of air!) I have a feeling he would be getting more respect. He is an amazing class horse who will be able to go the distance!

i completely agree -- and i believe that the prices are going to be right all spring!

The Bid · #13 11-15-2006, 03:26 PM

He certainly needs a break, he didnt need those last few he ran in. Tueflesburg that is

Cajungator26 · #14 11-15-2006, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bid

He certainly needs a break, he didnt need those last few he ran in. Tueflesburg that is

I thought I read somewhere that Jamie had wanted to turn him out... hopefully they'll do that and he'll improve next year.

#15 11-16-2006, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by smartyalex

Thanks for mentioning Officer Rocket in your 3yo category. Had he not displaced in the Iriquois (which he still beat two of the seven horse field under extreme shortness of air!) I have a feeling he would be getting more respect. He is an amazing class horse who will be able to go the distance!

What makes you think he will get the distance? He certainly has distance on his dam side, but his sire side is speed. He might be able to get the distance, but it is too early to tell.

smartyalex · #16 11-16-2006, 10:47 AM

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What makes you think he will get the distance? He certainly has distance on his dam side, but his sire side is speed. He might be able to get the distance, but it is too early to tell.

You are completely correct.....I may be a little anxious! And you also are correct that his dam (Ocean View) was able to go the distance. He worked Monday in 1:01 2/5. Galloped out in 15. Not bad for his first work back. He was barely "blowing" after the work. I think he's gonna be a very nice horse in the Holthus Stable!

Hwjb · #17 11-16-2006, 07:55 PM

For those interested on this side of the pond, very much IMO...

1) Sander Camillo...exceptional filly, but seemingly not the easiest to train. Not seen since her demolition job at Newmarket in July, and it is to be hoped that Noseda gets her back in time for the 1,000 Guineas in May. Potential superstar.
1) Teofilo...big, gross, unbeaten and dual-Group 1 winning colt, rightly favourite for both 2,000 Guineas and Derby. Arguably had race pan out better than runner-up when pipping HRE in Dewhurst, but seemed to be idling in front and found more when joined. Most exciting.
3) Holy Roman Emperor...very good at his best with a superb turn of foot, shown to devestating effect when winning in France and when runner-up to above at Newmarket, coming from seemingly hopeless position. Has less scope for improvement than Teofilo, but only juvenile colt near him in terms of ability.
4) Dutch Art...impossible to argue with what he has achieved in winning 4 from 4, beating solid benchmarks on each occasion. For all that you wouldn;t want to go overboard about his chances of developing into a 3yo, but then again I said the same about Rock of Gibraltar!
5) Mythical Kid...has achieved less than all above, but of huge potential. Bred to be a worldbeater (family of Divine Proportions, Whipper), he made a highly taking debut when sluicing up at Newbury. Looked likely winner of Horris Hill there next time before idling and caught close home. Stoute sure to find the improvement to which he is open. Big things await.

Others to watch out for:

Finsceal Beo
Mount Nelson
Duke of Marmalade
Go On Be A Tiger
Authorized
Passages of Time

repent · #18 11-17-2006, 02:00 AM

CQuay has to be at the top with SSense.
HW Futurity winner is usually part of the discussion, but obviously not now.

Repent

SCUDSBROTHER · #19 11-17-2006, 12:58 PM

What exactly is the author of this thread pointing to when they say "top 4 2 year olds." Are you asking who should get the Eclipse? Are you asking who looks best for winning the K Derby? Are you asking who will do best(overall) in their 3 year old year? I think this 2nd wave of 2 year olds is usually where the Derby Winner comes from.It does seem that, to win the Derby, it is best to take the road of Tiz Wonderful or others,and not that of C.Q.,and "Street." The last 3 Derby winners were "good prospects" at 2.They weren't stars yet.They were "working on it," and if you want a horse to win the Derby,then it is probably best to still be "working on it" right now,and not be "there" like "Street" and C.Q. are.