Liberal Professor Calls Thanksgiving Racist Holiday

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Originally Posted by Danzig

Yeah, i know why he is viewed as such. I once also thought he was deserving of every appellation assigned to him...
However, as in so many things, there is more to the story. Jackson moved the native americans to remove a ready tool of american enemies, such as england and france. He did what he did based on what he thought was best fir the u.s. truth be told, when one considers the why, what argument can someone make that jackson was wrong?
Could thing have been handled better? Sure. Did he have every reason to think his actions were justified? Absolutely.

Sorry, hard for me to see it as anything more than white people coveting indian land. We have a long history of that sort of thing. Can't buy the England and France thing either. At the time that the indians were moved west of the Mississippi, France had no North American possession so I can't see that they would have been interested. The Brits had Canada, but that's a long way from the Southeastern US from which the tribes were removed.

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Originally Posted by cal828

Sorry, hard for me to see it as anything more than white people coveting indian land. We have a long history of that sort of thing. Can't buy the England and France thing either. At the time that the indians were moved west of the Mississippi, France had no North American possession so I can't see that they would have been interested. The Brits had Canada, but that's a long way from the Southeastern US from which the tribes were removed.

it is more than wanting the land. every conflict, the brits (and the french in the french and indian war) had stoked up the indians to cause trouble. spain did so as well, since they still held florida also, when you look at the history of texas, the brits were very much interested in gaining that area. their involvement is a key reason why the u.s. decided to annex texas as a state. also, the brits still held land other than canada. it wasn't til james polk that the english accepted the boundary of the oregon territory.
and france became very involved in mexico. santa anna didn't lose his leg fighting americans, it was the french.
jackson didn't hate the indians, many had been his allies when he was fighting the indian tribes in the years before the battle of new orleans. the whites had a lot of land compared to population. he just felt they would be used, again, as they had been used so often before. that our enemies would use them to cause us issues.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

it is more than wanting the land. every conflict, the brits (and the french in the french and indian war) had stoked up the indians to cause trouble. spain did so as well, since they still held florida also, when you look at the history of texas, the brits were very much interested in gaining that area. their involvement is a key reason why the u.s. decided to annex texas as a state. also, the brits still held land other than canada. it wasn't til james polk that the english accepted the boundary of the oregon territory.
and france became very involved in mexico. santa anna didn't lose his leg fighting americans, it was the french.
jackson didn't hate the indians, many had been his allies when he was fighting the indian tribes in the years before the battle of new orleans. the whites had a lot of land compared to population. he just felt they would be used, again, as they had been used so often before. that our enemies would use them to cause us issues.

Wow, nobody's said anything for two days. We must have put them all to sleep with our discussion about Andy Jackson. Too bad. I lilke historical discussions.

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Originally Posted by cal828

Wow, nobody's said anything for two days. We must have put them all to sleep with our discussion about Andy Jackson. Too bad. I lilke historical discussions.

I love them too. Just finished a thorough biography of sam houston, and am now reading a new book on john quincy adams.

Have two books by h w brands up next (i tend to buy up books by authors i like), one is a new bio of grant, the other on teddy roosevelt. I read his books on jackson and on the early days of texas. Highly recommend them.

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Originally Posted by Danzig

I love them too. Just finished a thorough biography of sam houston, and am now reading a new book on john quincy adams.

Have two books by h w brands up next (i tend to buy up books by authors i like), one is a new bio of grant, the other on teddy roosevelt. I read his books on jackson and on the early days of texas. Highly recommend them.

I knew you must have gotten that warped stuff on Jackson somewhere. Must admit don't read much stuff like that. Reading A Game of Thrones Now. Mostly cause my son gave it to me. He likes things like The Lord of the Rings types of books. Finished The Hunger Games not too long ago. Would love to see the movie The Life of Pi cause I read that book. Not sure that my reading tastes are much like anyone elses. I often go to library and just pick up 2 or 3 books I've never heard of and go over and read a few pages of them and if I like them, take them home. Read a bunch of books like that I really liked by Irish authors. One entitled Ireland and another entitled Galway Bay. Both really good and lots of Irish history in them.

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Originally Posted by cal828

I knew you must have gotten that warped stuff on Jackson somewhere. Must admit don't read much stuff like that. Reading A Game of Thrones Now. Mostly cause my son gave it to me. He likes things like The Lord of the Rings types of books. Finished The Hunger Games not too long ago. Would love to see the movie The Life of Pi cause I read that book. Not sure that my reading tastes are much like anyone elses. I often go to library and just pick up 2 or 3 books I've never heard of and go over and read a few pages of them and if I like them, take them home. Read a bunch of books like that I really liked by Irish authors. One entitled Ireland and another entitled Galway Bay. Both really good and lots of Irish history in them.

My oldest is a fan of all things tolkien. I would encourage you to try out bernard cornwell. Fantastic writer, with books set during the hundred years war, englad before the normans, and his version of the arthurian legends. Also has a huge series based on all the wars involving the duke of wellington, with the action centered on a rifleman.
Ceinwyn is named for a character in his arthur trilogy. My son has her brother, derfel, from the same book.

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As for jackson, i think his legacy suffers from people who only fasten on his indian removal policy, rather than looking into his detailed reasons why. After the revolution, before the 1812 to 1815 war, the brits frequently encouraged indian uprisings against us.

Oh, and our ally, france....yeah, she helped us vs britain, but didn't exactly want us to win. It was in their best interests to keep it going as long as possible, as a way to weaken britain, thus strengthening france.