How Selfish Can Omama Be

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

does the birther movement dispute that his mother was an american citizen?

because if not, what exactly is the birth of an american citizen's child overseas suppose to prove?

Obama's mother was certainly an American citizen. I think it is somewhat of a gray area with regard to whether he would be eligible to run for President if he was in fact born overseas. You could make a legitimate argument that even if he was born in Kenya and spent his first few months of life in Kenya, he should still be eligible to run for President. I mean the guy is an American citizen. His mother was an American citizen.

But I think the way that most constitutional scholars have interpreted the constitution, a person would not be eligible in this situation because the wording says "only natural born citizens are eligible".

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Obama's mother was certainly an American citizen. I think it is somewhat of a gray area with regard to whether he would be eligible to run for President if he was in fact born overseas. You could make a legitimate argument that even if he was born in Kenya and spent his first few months of life in Kenya, he should still be eligible to run for President. I mean the guy is an American citizen. His mother was an American citizen.

But I think the way that most constitutional scholars have interpreted the constitution, a person would not be eligible in this situation because the wording says "only natural born citizens are eligible".

so "most constitutional scholars" have agreed on the meaning of a term that was undefined in the constitution itself. interesting.

how did they get around the naturalization act of 1790 which stated "the children of citizens of the united states that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the united states, shall be considered as natural born citizens."?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

so "most constitutional scholars" have agreed on the meaning of a term that was undefined in the constitution itself. interesting.

how did they get around the naturalization act of 1790 which stated "the children of citizens of the united states that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the united states, shall be considered as natural born citizens."?

As I said, it is somewhat of a gray area. I thought that the majority of scholars believed that it meant that you had to be born here. However, I could be totally wrong about that. The mainstream media doesn't talk much about the subject. I get some of my info on the subject from WND and granted you need to take things that you read there with somewhat of a grain of salt. At least I know that I need to take it with a grain of salt. Some of the lefties here think that anything they read at the Daily Kos is gospel.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

As I said, it is somewhat of a gray area. I thought that the majority of scholars believed that it meant that you had to be born here. However, I could be totally wrong about that. The mainstream media doesn't talk much about the subject. I get some of my info on the subject from WND and granted you need to take things that you read there with somewhat of a grain of salt. At least I know that I need to take it with a grain of salt. Some of the lefties here think that anything they read at the Daily Kos is gospel.

the mainstream media doesn't talk much about bigfoot either. unless you really really want to believe in bigfoot. I mean really really really want to believe you're able to grasp why that is.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

the mainstream media doesn't talk much about bigfoot either. unless you really really want to believe in bigfoot. I mean really really really want to believe you're able to grasp why that is.

I don't know if Bigfoot is a good comparison. The percentage of people that believe in Bigfoot is probably about 1/10th of 1%. Do you know what percentage of people believe that Obama was born overseas? It is around 30%. More than 50% of republicans believe Obama was not born in the US. Actually, according to the Huffingtonpost, over 60% of republicans believe Obama was not born in the US.

So whether it is true or not, it is not some crazy theory that only a few people believe.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brenda...b_1718794.html

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

the mainstream media doesn't talk much about bigfoot either. unless you really really want to believe in bigfoot. I mean really really really want to believe you're able to grasp why that is.

You know it all, smug puss.y of a man.


Now you want us to believe the mainstream media is credible. I mean this sincerely, you fuc.king pond scum imbecile...

May you be wrong a billion times, ****. And may it come at your door and sweep you away so I don't have to read any more of your Super Government Limp-Wristed Chevy VOlt driving nonsense.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You know it all, smug puss.y of a man.


Now you want us to believe the mainstream media is credible. I mean this sincerely, you fuc.king pond scum imbecile...

May you be wrong a billion times, ****. And may it come at your door and sweep you away so I don't have to read any more of your Super Government Limp-Wristed Chevy VOlt driving nonsense.

(thumps chest)

(grunts)

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

(thumps chest)

(grunts)

"The mainstream media is credible I'm a little sissy who tries to act smart on the internet but really I'm a knuckle-dragging ********** who hates my own race."

[bigrun]

Now you want us to believe the mainstream media is credible

Yes they are, at least compared to GOP Headquarters aka Fox news..

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Yes they are, at least compared to GOP Headquarters aka Fox news..

Have you ever posted a lucid, credible thought that is germane to the conversation? Ever?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

But I think the way that most constitutional scholars have interpreted the constitution, a person would not be eligible in this situation because the wording says "only natural born citizens are eligible".

Then how come John McCain and George Romney were allowed to run for President?

Neither was born in the USA. But they were born to American citizens, exactly like Obama.

So whether it is true or not, it is not some crazy theory that only a few people believe.

The only reason people believe it is that they were deliberately fed that, thanks to Sarah Palin and Fox News in 2008, and picked up by the other right wing conservative sites, and it became a self-fullfilling thing.

Nobody questioned Obama until a minor campaign aid in the Hillary campaign deliberately sent around an e-mail raising the question. Then McCain and Palin picked up on it. Of course they did - xenophobia wins!

Look at you - - there is zero that would convince you 100% that Obama is an American citizen. The birth certificate? Not good enough. The long-form birth certificate guaranteed by the GOP Governor of Hawai'i as real? Disbelieved. Questioned. The hospital announcements of the birth in the newspaper? Questioned. The people who know Obama's mother when he was born? Questioned.

People are so gullible and believe what they are told. Remember the old woman who told McCain Obama was an Arab?

And yes, this is exactly like believing in Chupacabra, BigFoot, aliens in Roswell, and 9-11 Truthers. Exactly the same thing.

Rupert: Lee Atwater. Willie Horton. Racism and xenophobia is the one reliable way to energize the Republican Party base, after southern white Democrats abandoned the Democratic party when Lyndon Johnson ensured voting rights for blacks in the 1960's, and became sudden Republicans.

It is a deliberate political strategy, and it's being used by John Sununu daily on behalf of Mitt Romney right now. McCain hated it, Palin used it against his desires. Hillary was against it, but some of her surrogates tried it on Obama. And of course the screaming monkeys of the right wing, like Hannity and Beck, just grabbed it and took off. Of course "60% of people" believe. They are gullible and they've heard it so often there must be something to it. Like Santa Clause and BigFoot.

[Riot]

Why do people believe this crazy made-up stuff? Because via the internet, they are readily fed support for their delusions (they used to have to buy pamphlets and books and it was harder for the crazies to find each other)

For example: Wikipedia:

Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories

Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories—allegations that he secretly follows a non-Christian religion, or that he is the antichrist—have been suggested ever since Barack Obama began his campaign to become President of the United States in 2007. As with the Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy theories, these false claims are promoted by various fringe theorists and political opponents.[1][2]

But if you go to Conservapedia (facts the way we like 'em) you can read a xenophobes dream:

Barack Hussein Obama is possibly the first Muslim president of the United States, as illustrated by his many actions and comments both before and after taking the official (private) oath of office without using a Bible. While there is a strong political incentive for Obama to claim to be a Christian, as he has done whenever discussing his religion, all credible evidence, other than the fact that he attends a Christian church, points to Islam as his religion:

Well, other than the fact he has never, ever given any demonstration that he is Muslim. You know, all those Rev. Wright years he gets attacked for, too? Which is it? Muslim or radical Black Church Guy?

And the fact he put his hand on a bible for the oath of office.

You see, for normal people, "Muslim" is just another religion like "Catholic" or "Evangelical Christian" or "Jewish" or "Protestant". Perfectly legal and welcomed in the US, and hardly disqualifying for anything at all under our Constitution. Yes, we have Muslims in Congress, and a Muslim could certainly be President, or on the Supreme Court. Constitution, remember? Freedom of religion here?

For non-normal xenophobic haters, being Muslim is like being the devil. So other than the guy going to a Christian church for decades, saying he was born-again, attending a catholic school as a kid, getting married in a Christian church, raising his kids Christian, getting sworn in on a bible - well, it all clearly points, other than all those pesky facts, to his being ... gasp! ... Muslim!

[bigrun]

Speaking of Bigfoot...


http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...hp&form=msnrll

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Speaking of Bigfoot...


http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...hp&form=msnrll

Fortunately Bigfoot can't read and isn't a muslim because can you imagine him reading,

"Qur'an:9:5 "Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Qur'an:9:112 "The Believers fight in Allah's Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed."

Qur'an:9:29 "Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission."

Qur'an:8:39 "Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah."

Qur'an:8:39 "So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world)."

The woods would be a whole lot scarier.

And don't blame me, blame the guy who wrote the book!