latest jobs report

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Green energy, union and public sector jobs are really the only ones this President is interested in. Hence letting millions of illegals to the front of the line competing with legals for the small amount of jobs available.

It isn't the illegals competing for minimum wage jobs that is killing us.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by jms62

It isn't the illegals competing for minimum wage jobs that is killing us.

I love it when questioned about unemployment, the republitards answer is always "get rid of all the regs so we can operate freely and increase employment" Like there is some sort of mutual exclusivity between the two.

50% of college graduates can't find work - It's not because there's no oil rigs or assembly lines to work on - if there were, they would still be over qualified for all of the manufacturing / energy jobs that will supposedly be created when Romney gets to drill and siphon fossil fuels from all over the continent.


The reality is that these, now multinational corporations, hire (or rather contract) engineers in Turkey, Singapore, China, Indonesia, India, etc. that are just as skilled and adept as their American counterparts, at a fraction of the cost.

That never seems to get discussed. A Corporation's singular fiduciary responsibility is ROI to the shareholder - they have no obligation to enhance the fabric of our society by "overpaying" for higher-end skill sets here, we simply exist to purchase their wares.

How about if you want to sell your crap here, you have to prove that your higher-end skilled jobs are filled here?


I know - Craaaaaazy talk. Protectionism (OOOOOH EEEEEVIL WERRRRRD!!!11).

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I love it when questioned about unemployment, the republitards answer is always "get rid of all the regs so we can operate freely and increase employment" Like there is some sort of mutual exclusivity between the two.

50% of college graduates can't find work - It's not because there's no oil rigs or assembly lines to work on - if there were, they would still be over qualified for all of the manufacturing / energy jobs that will supposedly be created when Romney gets to drill and siphon fossil fuels from all over the continent.


The reality is that these, now multinational corporations, hire (or rather contract) engineers in Turkey, Singapore, China, Indonesia, India, etc. that are just as skilled and adept as their American counterparts, at a fraction of the cost.

That never seems to get discussed. A Corporation's singular fiduciary responsibility is ROI to the shareholder - they have no obligation to enhance the fabric of our society by "overpaying" for higher-end skill sets here, we simply exist to purchase their wares.

How about if you want to sell your crap here, you have to prove that your higher-end skilled jobs are filled here?


I know - Craaaaaazy talk. Protectionism (OOOOOH EEEEEVIL WERRRRRD!!!11).

How bout all them banking Regs we got rid of you know the ones that came into affect after the great depression that kept us out of another one that is until they were tossed. Clinton is on record stating it wasn't a good idea so I guess the solution is to just blame him forever instead of reverting back to what worked.

Originally Posted by jms62

How bout all them banking Regs we got rid of you know the ones that came into affect after the great depression that kept us out of another one that is until they were tossed. Clinton is on record stating it wasn't a good idea so I guess the solution is to just blame him forever instead of reverting back to what worked.

Or we can stop half-assing everything and abandon our selective history and just go back in time to the 1910's and abolish the fed.

Problem solved. Pay a hooker to blow me.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I love it when questioned about unemployment, the republitards answer is always "get rid of all the regs so we can operate freely and increase employment" Like there is some sort of mutual exclusivity between the two.

50% of college graduates can't find work - It's not because there's no oil rigs or assembly lines to work on - if there were, they would still be over qualified for all of the manufacturing / energy jobs that will supposedly be created when Romney gets to drill and siphon fossil fuels from all over the continent.


The reality is that these, now multinational corporations, hire (or rather contract) engineers in Turkey, Singapore, China, Indonesia, India, etc. that are just as skilled and adept as their American counterparts, at a fraction of the cost.

That never seems to get discussed. A Corporation's singular fiduciary responsibility is ROI to the shareholder - they have no obligation to enhance the fabric of our society by "overpaying" for higher-end skill sets here, we simply exist to purchase their wares.

How about if you want to sell your crap here, you have to prove that your higher-end skilled jobs are filled here?


I know - Craaaaaazy talk. Protectionism (OOOOOH EEEEEVIL WERRRRRD!!!11).

Perhaps they are the 50% that should not have gone to college in the first place, it isn't for everyone. Almost everyone that works for me has a degree in something that has nothing to do with what we do at my company. Mine is culinary...

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Perhaps they are the 50% that should not have gone to college in the first place, it isn't for everyone. Almost everyone that works for me has a degree in something that has nothing to do with what we do at my company. Mine is culinary...

Blinkers On

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

Blinkers On

Not exactly, I know precisely why my revenues have dropped (only for the last two years, we made due with foreign clientele for '08 and '09 but they are falling off too) and where my clients have gone.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Not exactly, I know precisely why my revenues have dropped (only for the last two years, we made due with foreign clientele for '08 and '09 but they are falling off too) and where my clients have gone.

Sorry Clip, I don't understand what you are trying to say there.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

Sorry Clip, I don't understand what you are trying to say there.

My clients are typically aged 40-55, educated, 6 figure earners building new empty nest and/or second homes. This demo has shrank demonstrably in the last 10-12 years. They are either hurting bad or hanging onto any disposable income they might have had previously.

[Danzig]

several things come to mind.
one, there is a huge push to get kids to go to college. why? as was said above, it's not for everyone. and what about the growing student loan debt problem? who is it who profits most from an increased student body? probably banks. hell, they don't care if johnny can get a job with is philosophy degree, or suzie with one in fine arts. huge issue.
two-our service sectors are starving for new people. not enough electricians, plumbers, mechanics, etc. some of those kids being prodded to college should be going to votech.

as for regs-there are more and more added every year. and they become costly.
speaking of which-the tax credit small businesses can get for providing health care-the steps involved are so convoluted, that the hours spent by the accountant is producing a higher bill than what the businesses save by obtaining the credit!! a fraction of small businesses are applying compared to what they budgeted for, because accountants are telling their customers 'don't bother'.
and businesses with just over 50 employees. guess what's going to happen in those places when obamacare kicks in?????? i know. you can bet your sweet ass that they cut some folks to get below that magic number.

[phystech]

Originally Posted by Danzig

several things come to mind.
one, there is a huge push to get kids to go to college. why? as was said above, it's not for everyone. and what about the growing student loan debt problem? who is it who profits most from an increased student body? probably banks. hell, they don't care if johnny can get a job with is philosophy degree, or suzie with one in fine arts. huge issue.
two-our service sectors are starving for new people. not enough electricians, plumbers, mechanics, etc. some of those kids being prodded to college should be going to votech.

as for regs-there are more and more added every year. and they become costly.
speaking of which-the tax credit small businesses can get for providing health care-the steps involved are so convoluted, that the hours spent by the accountant is producing a higher bill than what the businesses save by obtaining the credit!! a fraction of small businesses are applying compared to what they budgeted for, because accountants are telling their customers 'don't bother'.
and businesses with just over 50 employees. guess what's going to happen in those places when obamacare kicks in?????? i know. you can bet your sweet ass that they cut some folks to get below that magic number.

College has turned in to nothing more than 13th to 16th grade. I work at a major university with science majors and most of the kids that go through the program aren't fit to graduate - yet they are shoved out the door with a degree in order to preserve the "ranking" of the department/university. Biggest problem - most of them don't WANT to be here and are only here because Mommy and Daddy say they have to go. And I'd estimate 90% of the students that earn a degree in our department never intend to use the degree. In the last 5 years, where we produce an average of 60 grads per year from our major, I've only had 1 grad leave with the intention of teaching.

Had a conversation with a tenure track associate professor this week. She was giving a mid-term exam to her class. I asked if she'd cranked out a tough exam. Her response - "No, I made it pretty easy and even let them have open book. I have found that if I make it too tough, I get a bad evaluation at the end of the semester, and that will inhibit my advancement towards tenure." Sad.....

So, not only are our professors failing us, but out leaders are too. I agree with the thought that we don't need more philosophy grads to wait tables when what we really need are more plumbers, carpenters, etc. Yet, our political leaders all shove a college education down everyone's throat to the point that if one doesn't get a 4 year degree, you are considered second class.

One last thing - in the department I work in, we have a lot of foreign grad students. Our tax dollars pay for their advanced education. Most of them, once they graduate, do not enter the US workforce but, instead, return to their home country. Massive investment, little return.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

It isn't the illegals competing for minimum wage jobs that is killing us.

No it's the ones running construction and landscaping companies, sending a chunk of all proceeds back to Mexico and undercutting american small businesses that's killing us. It's their children all getting a free education bi-lingual if needed that's killing us.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No it's the ones running construction and landscaping companies, sending a chunk of all proceeds back to Mexico and undercutting american small businesses that's killing us. It's their children all getting a free education bi-lingual if needed that's killing us.

That's it Del focus on the pennies while the dollar bills fly over your head. It is the outsourcing of the six figure jobs that is killing us not freaking Landscappers for fuk sake.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

That's it Del focus on the pennies while the dollar bills fly over your head. It is the outsourcing of the six figure jobs that is killing us not freaking Landscappers for fuk sake.

LMAO yea it's all those Telecommunication Specialists in India and child Manufacturing Engineers in China that are killing us.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

LMAO yea it's all those Telecommunication Specialists in India and child Manufacturing Engineers in China that are killing us.

Do you usually laugh when you don't know what the fuk you are talking about. Landscappers, yeah that is what is killing us.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

Do you usually laugh when you don't know what the fuk you are talking about. Landscappers, yeah that is what is killing us.

If a illegal owns the landscaping/plowing company and employs more than 10 other illegals he's likely considered rich by Obama standards.

Your continued doubt about how hard it is to make it in a country people are dying to enter is pitiful!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

If a illegal owns the landscaping/plowing company and employs more than 10 other illegals he's likely considered rich by Obama standards.

Your continued doubt about how hard it is to make it in a country people are dying to enter is pitiful!

Sounds to me that you think everything is fine out there. Is that true?