Does the Public Understand Roe v Wade?

[Dahoss]

I'm just glad Rupert is back to educate us all. We're so lucky.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I'm just glad Rupert is back to educate us all. We're so lucky.

yeah, too bad i won't be partaking of that gift.

[Antitrust32]

individuals should not have the right to tell others what to do with their bodies and their reproductive organs. if you dont like abortion, dont have one. it should not be left up to voters or state goverments. the supreme court has already made a decision on this years ago. in my opinion, Ryan was a big turnoff when the abortion question came up.. biden schooled him there. then again, why people vote soley on the issue of abortion is beyond me.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

individuals should not have the right to tell others what to do with their bodies and their reproductive organs. if you dont like abortion, dont have one. it should not be left up to voters or state goverments. the supreme court has already made a decision on this years ago. in my opinion, Ryan was a big turnoff when the abortion question came up.. biden schooled him there. then again, why people vote soley on the issue of abortion is beyond me.

Because there are people out there that will vote for this guy BECUASE of his views.

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.ht...ms-science.cnn

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jms62

Because there are people out there that will vote for this guy BECUASE of his views.

http://www.cnn.com/video/standard.ht...ms-science.cnn

its crazy, isnt it?

I spoke to a young girl at work who is very very religious. She is all for Romney. I asked her why. She said that she believes Romney would put us in Gods good graces. Apparently God only judges america based on our president.. .. anways.

I explained to her that Romney is not a Christian, and that the Morman religion is different than Christianity. I let her know that being a Morman compared to a Christian is like being Jewish, or Muslim, compared to being a Christian. I dont think she understood.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

if you dont like abortion, dont have one.

Does the executed individual get a vote?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Does the executed individual get a vote?

you arent alive when you cannot support your own life, breath.

I do not think abortions should be allowed after the first trimester. If it gets to the point where the fetus can thrive outside the room.. that is no good.

You really want 16 year old girls who get pregnant nowadays to not be able to choose to have a first trimester abortion? so they dont get that chance to grow up and will most likely live off taxpayers?

[Antitrust32]

abortions should also not be on the public dime. exceptions for rape, etc.

choosing to have an abortion because you dont use proper birth control is not an honorable thing. I have no idea how people, in this day in age where birth control is available pretty much everywhere, have unwanted pregnancies. I dont like it, I dont respect it... but I am certainly not going to tell someone what they can do with their own body, own life. I have my own life to worry about, and I dont want others to tell me what to do with my own body either.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you arent alive when you cannot support your own life, breath.

I do not think abortions should be allowed after the first trimester. If it gets to the point where the fetus can thrive outside the room.. that is no good.

You really want 16 year old girls who get pregnant nowadays to not be able to choose to have a first trimester abortion? so they dont get that chance to grow up and will most likely live off taxpayers?

Joey is the king of inflamatory language. He is trying to engage you into calling him a name at which point he will declare victory

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by jms62

Joey is the king of inflamatory language. He is trying to engage you into calling him a name at which point he will declare victory

joey and i have always had civil debates. I respect him.

abortion is a sensitive subject. I'm my opinion, Roe vs wade is law, lets all move on. Though i certainly understand where pro-lifers come from.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by jms62

Joey is the king of inflamatory language. He is trying to engage you into calling him a name at which point he will declare victory

In retrospect this was a great call.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you arent alive when you cannot support your own life, breath.

I do not think abortions should be allowed after the first trimester. If it gets to the point where the fetus can thrive outside the room.. that is no good.

You really want 16 year old girls who get pregnant nowadays to not be able to choose to have a first trimester abortion? so they dont get that chance to grow up and will most likely live off taxpayers?

You're confusing life with viability - which was an arbitrary constructed argument in Roe V. Wade to decide in favor of allowing abortion.

The baby is growing. Only living things grow. If left alone, you will have a baby in 9 months. That is the whole purpose for the abortion, right? To not have a baby. But, to not have the baby, you need to kill it, or else it will grow and be born.

How is it that the 16 year old girl you refer to, if typical, can run rings around her parents in operating her computer or smartphone, knows enough not to smoke, and is supposedly from our smartest generation yet, but will become pregnant without considering the consequences?

Anyway - I thought Biden's abortion comments were his weakest part. He said "I don't want to impose my view" on the American people. Well, supporting Roe V. Wade is sure as hell imposing it on those whose lives will be summarily ended without a shred of due process of law.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by joeydb

How is it that the 16 year old girl you refer to, if typical, can run rings around her parents in operating her computer or smartphone, knows enough not to smoke, and is supposedly from our smartest generation yet, but will become pregnant without considering the consequences?

Because most people don't walk around like programmed robots. When you're 16, you're dumb. You make poor decisions. You act in the moment and don't think about the consequences of your actions.

Of course, not everyone is like that, but I think most of us non robots can think back to when we were 16 and I'm sure we all made a lot of really bad decisions. That's life man.

The real irony here is the same people who oppose abortion, are also the same who complain about government handouts. So, we don't want these dumb 16 year olds to have an abortion, and then are outraged that they cannot support themselves and their children because they are ill prepared. Makes sense.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

You're confusing life with viability - which was an arbitrary constructed argument in Roe V. Wade to decide in favor of allowing abortion.

The baby is growing. Only living things grow. If left alone, you will have a baby in 9 months. That is the whole purpose for the abortion, right? To not have a baby. But, to not have the baby, you need to kill it, or else it will grow and be born.

How is it that the 16 year old girl you refer to, if typical, can run rings around her parents in operating her computer or smartphone, knows enough not to smoke, and is supposedly from our smartest generation yet, but will become pregnant without considering the consequences?

Anyway - I thought Biden's abortion comments were his weakest part. He said "I don't want to impose my view" on the American people. Well, supporting Roe V. Wade is sure as hell imposing it on those whose lives will be summarily ended without a shred of due process of law.

banning abortion would be imposing a view. supporting roe v wade gives the individual the right to decide. so, joey, you have the right to decide never to have one.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

you arent alive when you cannot support your own life, breath.

I do not think abortions should be allowed after the first trimester. If it gets to the point where the fetus can thrive outside the room.. that is no good.

You really want 16 year old girls who get pregnant nowadays to not be able to choose to have a first trimester abortion? so they dont get that chance to grow up and will most likely live off taxpayers?

most abortions are performed in the first eight weeks of the pregnancy. the vast majority are within the first 12-16. very, very few after that, and usually in an attempt to save the mothers' life. and virtually zero after the time period in which a fetus could concievably live if born.

and there's no way of knowing just how many are performed due to not using bc, as compared to bc failure. and it certainly can fail. as for public dime, laws have been in place since roe v wade to prevent public moneys being used, except for just what you said.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as for public dime, laws have been in place since roe v wade to prevent public moneys being used, except for just what you said.

If someone is subsidized thru the new Obamacare exchanges and abortion coverage is included in that policy, public money is used. Henry Hyde be damned.

That said I'm all for abortions, especially for those unable to raise kids on their own and relying on me. It's far cheaper to abort than house, feed and educate.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Does the executed individual get a vote?

yep...before he made his choice to commit a crime. that's an absurd analogy.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

yep...before he made his choice to commit a crime. that's an absurd analogy.

Only because the criminal sentenced to capital punishment gets due process of law and is found guilty, where the fetus is innocent by definition and gets no due process whatsoever.

Yep. It's absurd alright but not in the way you intended.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Only because the criminal sentenced to capital punishment gets due process of law and is found guilty, where the fetus is innocent by definition and gets no due process whatsoever.

Yep. It's absurd alright but not in the way you intended.

no one gets sentenced to death unless they first choose to commit a heinous crime.
and you're right, fetuses don't get due process, because they aren't a human being and can't present themselves in court.

[my miss storm cat]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Does the executed individual get a vote?

I had an abortion when I was 17.

This is a hard thing for some women to talk about, very easy for me though.

I'd like to suggest that if you are so horrified you open your home and become a foster parent. Or, better yet, adopt.

I killed no one. I was 17 and wasn't about to drag a baby to go and buy pot and wait in line for concert tickets and run off to God knows where at the drop of a hat.

It was not anyone elses business what i chose to do with my own body...the government, the church, pro-life individuals... no one has this right.

I have never regretted it for a second, never felt bad about it. I have 2 kids and had them when I was ready to and apologize to no one.

I was raised Catholic but more importantly to think for myself. Compassion, forgiveness and love. Those are what I was taught.

I would never presume to tell you what to do or judge you for such a personal choice.