pk4 payout to the Travers

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by ranger5830

They changed the off-the-turf pick 6 rule at gulfstream, why can't they change this one too?

They probably will now. It happened in a spot where enough people will complain about it -- and I can't really think of a position anyone can argue or make to say that it is a fair or competent rule.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

They probably will now. It happened in a spot where enough people will complain about it -- and I can't really think of a position anyone can argue or make to say that it is a fair or competent rule.

The argument would be that the pool is split amongst all winning tickets, just as would happen had only one horse won. One could argue that the rules on the win, double, etc. are the wrong way to do it and inconsistant with standard payoff rules and they should be changed.

Pretty much everything else suggested is based on subjective ideas of "fairness", whatever that is supposed to mean. Fair to me means unbiased, that the rules were followed exactly and not interpreted, which is what happened here. What is more "fair", reducing the payoff of the majority of winners by a lower percentage or rewarding the few who had the longshot by reducing the payoff by a lower percentage? The answer to that question is completely subjective, but I'd dare say if you took a vote amongst the winning ticket holders, the current rule would stand. This wouldn't be the case with the P6 rule you mentioned.

What is also a fact is people will complain when an oddity like this happens regardless of the rules.

[Immanuel Kant]

It's completely "fair" and "acceptable" because it's in the rules


Wow!

If history has taught us anything......and I'm not convinced it has......statements like the one above allow for excuses such as , "I was only folllowing orders" or, "I'm just doing my job"

Just because it is a rule does not make it right...

If the other exotics can have different pay-outs the pick 4 should as well.

The rule is wrong...it is wrong because it is not a FAIR rule and it should be changed

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Immanuel Kant

It's completely "fair" and "acceptable" because it's in the rules


Wow!

If history has taught us anything......and I'm not convinced it has......statements like the one above allow for excuses such as , "I was only folllowing orders" or, "I'm just doing my job"

Just because it is a rule does not make it right...

If the other exotics can have different pay-outs the pick 4 should as well.

The rule is wrong...it is wrong because it is not a FAIR rule and it should be changed

I've yet to see a convincing argument about how it isn't "right". But as I said before, by playing the bet, you have subject yourself to the rules. Don't play the bet and then complain the outcome isn't fair when the rules have been followed to the letter just because you don't like the outcome. The outcome was fair.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

I've yet to see a convincing argument about how it isn't "right". But as I said before, by playing the bet, you have subject yourself to the rules. Don't play the bet and then complain the outcome isn't fair when the rules have been followed to the letter just because you don't like the outcome. The outcome was fair.

Ok dude, we get it. It is the rule. You find that the be logical and reasonable and therefore accept it as "fair". Specifically in terms of what I got paid to the 3 yesterday, it was "fair". In terms of what I find logical and reasonable, I am still in search of an explanation as to why that is the rule, and applied differently than every other wager with the exception of the pk6. There was nobody at the track that could actually explain it and once they uncovered the "rule", there was certainly nobody to provide a reasonable explanation. I only point that out because of your insistence that we should have not made the bet without knowledge of the rule. I'm pretty sure at least 90% of the sharp folks on this board were as surprised to see a single payout in the pk4 yesterday.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Ok dude, we get it. It is the rule. You find that the be logical and reasonable and therefore accept it as "fair". Specifically in terms of what I got paid to the 3 yesterday, it was "fair". In terms of what I find logical and reasonable, I am still in search of an explanation as to why that is the rule, and applied differently than every other wager with the exception of the pk6. There was nobody at the track that could actually explain it and once they uncovered the "rule", there was certainly nobody to provide a reasonable explanation. I only point that out because of your insistence that we should have not made the bet without knowledge of the rule. I'm pretty sure at least 90% of the sharp folks on this board were as surprised to see a single payout in the pk4 yesterday.

No, you can do whatever you want with your money. Complaining after the fact because you didn't know a rule that was followed to the letter is pretty lame in my book and is all on you. Try it with the IRS or a State Trooper and see what happens. I don't know why they made the rule the way they did, but if you think about it, splitting pools is just as arbitrary as paying one pool to all winning tickets.

I do agree it would be simpler to have the rules consistant across bets, but if you want that, a well reasoned letter to the NYR&WB will go much further than complaining on a message board. In fact, they've established a fan advisory board that you can also write about such issues. At least you seem pretty reasonable and understand why it happened. There's some guy at DRF claiming that NYRA altered the finish line for the photo and stole some of the money because he couldn't figure out the math so it couldn't be right. Almost as priceless as the guy that claimed Ellen McLain should be let go because there was no t-shirt giveaway this year. I always figure a lot of things must be going right if so many are complaining.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by OTM Al

No, you can do whatever you want with your money. Complaining after the fact because you didn't know a rule that was followed to the letter is pretty lame in my book and is all on you. Try it with the IRS or a State Trooper and see what happens. I don't know why they made the rule the way they did, but if you think about it, splitting pools is just as arbitrary as paying one pool to all winning tickets.

I do agree it would be simpler to have the rules consistant across bets, but if you want that, a well reasoned letter to the NYR&WB will go much further than complaining on a message board. In fact, they've established a fan advisory board that you can also write about such issues. At least you seem pretty reasonable and understand why it happened. There's some guy at DRF claiming that NYRA altered the finish line for the photo and stole some of the money because he couldn't figure out the math so it couldn't be right. Almost as priceless as the guy that claimed Ellen McLain should be let go because there was no t-shirt giveaway this year. I always figure a lot of things must be going right if so many are complaining.

Ok, I think you have finally found the word to put us all on the same page, it is "inconsistent". When I started off by saying I got "jobbed" I was saying so in a different fashion than your friend over at DRF. Other than it is the rule, I have yet to find a person to be able to explain it.