Saturday Saratoga Race Card

[Dahoss]

Of course people can complain and for Saratoga standards, the quality is subpar.

This is horse racing in 2012. There aren't enough good horses to fill cards like we did 10 years ago.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Of course people can complain and for Saratoga standards, the quality is subpar.

This is horse racing in 2012. There aren't enough good horses to fill cards like we did 10 years ago.

the voice of reason. sharp post.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Of course people can complain and for Saratoga standards, the quality is subpar.

This is horse racing in 2012. There aren't enough good horses to fill cards like we did 10 years ago.

I dont know this is entirely true. Just seems that so many are trained by so few. A majority of NY trainers dont have any what would be considered good horses and fill their stalls with NY breds and cheaper horses.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont know this is entirely true. Just seems that so many are trained by so few. A majority of NY trainers dont have any what would be considered good horses and fill their stalls with NY breds and cheaper horses.

This is a huge problem.

[Calzone Lord]

You can't do anything about the fact that the same five trainers get all the good stock, with one getting most of it.

I'd like to see more open cheap claiming races at Saratoga and a lot less of these stakes races with five and six horse fields.

I'd like to see more baby races with 10 and 12 horse fields where you can make a lot of money if you're right -- than a whole bunch with small fields.

From a betting standpoint, I would take a card loaded with competitive cheap class races and big field baby races ... over a card with a bunch of soft stakes races and 6 horse field baby races.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

You can't do anything about the fact that the same five trainers get all the good stock, with one getting most of it.

I'd like to see more open cheap claiming races at Saratoga and a lot less of these stakes races with five and six horse fields.

I'd like to see more baby races with 10 and 12 horse fields where you can make a lot of money if you're right -- than a whole bunch with small fields.

From a betting standpoint, I would take a card loaded with competitive cheap class races and big field baby races ... over a card with a bunch of soft stakes races and 6 horse field baby races.

Well you could stop giving them 150 free stalls.

The initial problem is that no one in a leadership position in racing seems to understand this is an issue. Funny that they always like to toss other sports analogies in regards to racing (usually in the wrong context but whatever) but seem to miss that competitive balance has been a war fought in every major sport since the begining of the free agency era. Salary caps, player drafts, luxury taxes, etc are all staples of other sports that work to attempt to achieve some sort of balance. Yet in this sport it is absolutely ignored and many of the moves made actually further the cause of the supertrainer and large barns to the detriment of just about everyone else. Unlimited stalls, the proliferation of overnight stakes races, the field size limit in 2 yo maiden races are all things that are absolute boons to the barns with all the talent providing more easy spots for their huge arsenal of horses, often creating poor betting races as well.

[Cannon Shell]

Open claiming races have been killed off by conditioned claimers at most tracks

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Open claiming races have been killed off by conditioned claimers at most tracks

There are five of them to kick off the Delmar card today. The racinos elsewhere have siphoned off all the claiming horses.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

There are five of them to kick off the Delmar card today. The racinos elsewhere have siphoned off all the claiming horses.

Their time will come.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont know this is entirely true. Just seems that so many are trained by so few. A majority of NY trainers dont have any what would be considered good horses and fill their stalls with NY breds and cheaper horses.

It's a mixture of things and a few having so many doesn't help.

I get the complaint about the quality of the card. I just don't get the shock when it happens. As if this is the first year this is happening.

[fpsoxfan]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Of course people can complain and for Saratoga standards, the quality is subpar.

This is horse racing in 2012. There aren't enough good horses to fill cards like we did 10 years ago.

Exactly!