Religion Getting a Bad Rap!

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

deism and atheism are two different things. atheism is the rejection of deities.

But isn't Deism the mere acceptance that there MAY be a God, not the acceptance of a God? If a deist is on the side there probably isn't a god does that not begin to lean him/her towards atheism?

I was born and raised catholic, rarely ever attend church, support abortion as an individual choice, am skeptical of every priest that comes in contact with my nephews as a molester, support gay marriage but leave it up to the church as to whether they want to conduct ceremonies, and completely reject the belief the Pope can make no religious mistakes but still consider myself catholic. Geez I just realized I'm a Deist.

Anyway guarantee the church will welcome me back provided I still have cash.

[Danzig]

from what i've read about deists and deism, it's the a belief that a being created the world and all in it, and then left it to take care of itself. so, deists don't pray to a god, they don't think whoever the creator was is involved to take prayers.


as for hitler, et al, they used any and every means at their disposal to get and/or attempt to keep power. religion had a hand in it, whether as a way to identify enemies or to conjure support for their agendas.

when pope urban called a crusade, he was looking for a huge army to do the churches dirty work in trying to keep territories.

i think many go to church as a way to socialize; i think some go because they feel a need. but as for who truly believes, i think if people were completely honest when asked, that the amount of people who actually believe in god would be quite low.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

but as for who truly believes, i think if people were completely honest when asked, that the amount of people who actually believe in god would be quite low.

Riotesque!

I think you'll be shocked........unless 8/9 people in America are liars!

More Than 9 in 10 Americans Continue to Believe in God

Professed belief is lower among younger Americans, Easterners, and liberals

by Frank Newport


PRINCETON, NJ -- More than 9 in 10 Americans still say "yes" when asked the basic question "Do you believe in God?"; this is down only slightly from the 1940s, when Gallup first asked this question

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/am...lieve-god.aspx

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Riotesque!

I think you'll be shocked........unless 8/9 people in America are liars!





http://www.gallup.com/poll/147887/am...lieve-god.aspx

like i said, completely honest. i've read articles that discuss the fear of being 'found out' that one doesn't necessarily believe. then there's conversations, countless times when people have said they go to church to 'play it safe'. they don't really have faith, but just in case, they go to church.
people don't want to be different, they don't want to risk being ostracized if they don't exhibit a belief.
and here, in the bible belt, most people go to church as a way to socialize.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

like i said, completely honest. i've read articles that discuss the fear of being 'found out' that one doesn't necessarily believe. then there's conversations, countless times when people have said they go to church to 'play it safe'. they don't really have faith, but just in case, they go to church.
people don't want to be different, they don't want to risk being ostracized if they don't exhibit a belief.
and here, in the bible belt, most people go to church as a way to socialize.

Here's a question Carnac the Magnificent.

Is Obama, Romney, Reid, Pelosi, the Bush's all lying about their belief in God?

If not which one's are?

Or are they all part of the 10% you think believe in God.

and again this post has Riot stink all over it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Here's a question Carnac the Magnificent.

Is Obama, Romney, Reid, Pelosi, the Bush's all lying about their belief in God?

If not which one's are?

Or are they all part of the 10% you think believe in God.

and again this post has Riot stink all over it.

altho it is stated there shall be no religious test for office, most would never step out on that limb and say they don't have a faith. i remember reading that people said that jefferson was an atheist, he had a tough row to hoe because of that claim. even then, religion was a bone of contention. why do you suppose it's specifically listed in voting rights amendments.
and yeah, how dare i suggest pols would lie.

i'm not quite sure why you're getting so defensive about this topic. yes, there is a consensus, and not just on this board, that religion has caused and now causes a lot of ills. it's a deserved reputation. i didn't give it that rep, it gave it to itself.
i think some people are good people, and would be with or without a specific religion to follow. and there are plenty of hypocrites who are in a religion as well. i just know what my experiences are, what i've found in people, and what i've found throughout the histories i've read.
sorry if it bothers you.