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[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

Hansen aint that good.

Yes he is.

Who are the 3-year-olds left in training who are supposed to be better than him?

He would be a post time Favorite in either the Haskell or Jim Dandy.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Yes he is.

Who are the 3-year-olds left in training who are supposed to be better than him?

He would be a post time Favorite in either the Haskell or Jim Dandy.

Even if Paynter was in the field?

[asudevil]

Can't blame him...he fell into a nice gig approaching his 47th birthday.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Even if Paynter was in the field?

Curtis Paynter hasn't done anything yet outside of exciting clockers with his workouts from pretty much before he started.

He's an N2X alw horse who couldn't win on a pokey pace in a weak Belmont ... but I guess he tossed a shoe, and has continued to train like the worlds greatest horse since.

Even with the hype, Hansen is a clear-cut post time favorite in the Haskell if he went there.

However, what incentive did he have to run in the Haskell? He's already a 2yo champion so adding another Grade 1 isn't going to matter. So, you go get the money.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

However, what incentive did he have to run in the Haskell? He's already a 2yo champion so adding another Grade 1 isn't going to matter. So, you go get the money.

Sadly this is what top class racing/breeding has come to. While I dont necessarily agree that winning the Haskell wouldnt be a better outcome for his stallion career than the WV Derby this is what the largely clueless breeders have created. A scenario where a horse who wins a race because a jockey rode another horse poorly and becomes a "champion" no longer has to run in top races in order to solidify his stallion credentials.

[Calzone Lord]

Not saying it should be that way...but 'that's just the way it is.'

[geeker2]

Suppose you narrow it a bit - what do his stats look like for the last 6 months?

[VOL JACK]

I think Hansen will be turf miler next year.
With the lack of speed in grass races ( save Silver Max) he should be able to have a great year.
I just can't seem to convince his trainer, that he is no superstar on dirt.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Not saying it should be that way...but 'that's just the way it is.'

I know

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Yes he is.

Who are the 3-year-olds left in training who are supposed to be better than him?

He would be a post time Favorite in either the Haskell or Jim Dandy.

I think he is in the B- group, and any race that Bodemeister is in he is not finishing ahead of him.

[10 pnt move up]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Yes he is.

Who are the 3-year-olds left in training who are supposed to be better than him?

He would be a post time Favorite in either the Haskell or Jim Dandy.

also, whats this "in training" qualification? You can be good just because others are not?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

also, whats this "in training" qualification? You can be good just because others are not?

Compared to Bernardini and Curlin, yes, he's a bum.