Not allowing others free speech

Antitrust32 · #1 07-06-2012, 04:15 PM

so some guy who is old as dirt put water and a hanky in someones mouth and this deserves a thread?

and its supposed to be indicative towards conservatives?

Should he be arrested? fucl< no. if we arrested everyone who got into an extremely minor physical or verbal altercation then this whole country should be in jail.

Should he apologize? of course, and I believe he did.

I'm going to start a new thread about some fights I've witnessed at Eagles vs Cowboys games. It was much more intense than the subject of this thread, and had just as much to do with Romney as this thread does.

Riot · #2 07-06-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so some guy who is old as dirt put water and a hanky in someones mouth and this deserves a thread?

and its supposed to be indicative towards conservatives?

Should he be arrested? fucl< no. if we arrested everyone who got into an extremely minor physical or verbal altercation then this whole country should be in jail.

Should he apologize? of course, and I believe he did.

I'm going to start a new thread about some fights I've witnessed at Eagles vs Cowboys games. It was much more intense than the subject of this thread, and had just as much to do with Romney as this thread does.

Actually, the subject of the thread is "Not allowing others free speech", and you'll note that in the initial post, I didn't mention the political views of the person involved.

I only wanted comments on the violent behaviour.

You apparently couldn't hold an opinion on how physical current political discourse can get until you figured out which side to "cheer" for. You bring up a silly accusation of "indictment of conservatives" - I didn't.

And I'll guess that if you were at a political rally, if someone who thought differently from you came up and poured water in your mouth, then stuck a handkerchief in your mouth to shut you up, you'd take offense and find it excessive, too. I know I'd throw a punch at the guy for doing that to me, and definitely have his arrogant ass arrested. And that has nothing at all to do with who has what political views.

It has to do with legal free speech - and those idiots, like the subject man, that only allow people that match their beliefs to have it. It was wrong when the Rand Paul supporters stomped on the girl opposing Paul's views. It's wrong to physically assault those that hold different opinions than you do. It's wrong for anarchists to use Occupy protests to destroy property.

Watching you excuse such violence with anger and insult is telling. I'll remember that you don't think it's wrong for strangers to come up to you in public, and shove water and a hanky in your mouth to shut you up, if they don't like what you are saying.

Antitrust32 · #3 07-06-2012, 04:26 PM

I guess that is why the grandpa assaulter is known as "Romney Supporter", because this is a political party free thread.

And I'm pretty sure I gave an opinion on the matter. Old Man should apologize (which he did), not get arrested.

Riot · #4 07-06-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I guess that is why the grandpa assaulter is known as "Romney Supporter", because this is a political party free thread.

And I'm pretty sure I gave an opinion on the matter. Old Man should apologize (which he did), not get arrested.

It was political party free when it started, before you started making it falsely about "indicative of conservatives". I posted the actual incident to show the actual incident wasn't made up.

Riot · #5 07-06-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I guess that is why the grandpa assaulter is known as "Romney Supporter", because this is a political party free thread.

And I'm pretty sure I gave an opinion on the matter. Old Man should apologize (which he did), not get arrested.

The person who committed the battery never apologized to the person he bullied.

Antitrust32 · #6 07-06-2012, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

And I'll guess that if you were at a political rally, if someone who thought differently from you came up and poured water in your mouth, then stuck a handkerchief in your mouth to shut you up, you'd take offense and find it excessive, too.

Of course I would take offense. dude would have got an earful from me, and if he was younger, probably a fistful.

But I certainly wouldnt alert police or get an old man sent to jail because he may be a bit beyond his prime Brain years and acted stupidly.

Antitrust32 · #7 07-06-2012, 04:31 PM

jesus woman. you edit your posts so many times, certainly makes a conversation difficult when you can just go back and change what you say.

Riot · #8 07-06-2012, 04:35 PM

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jesus woman. you edit your posts so many times, certainly makes a conversation difficult when you can just go back and change what you say.

I've added, not changed.

C'mon - don't you think that it's a real concern, how physically violent our political arenas have gotten? The shoving and pushing at the healthcare rallies two August's ago? Gabby Giffords was shot. It's wrong. You can't think otherwise, do you?

Antitrust32 · #9 07-06-2012, 04:50 PM

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I've added, not changed.

C'mon - don't you think that it's a real concern, how physically violent our political arenas have gotten? The shoving and pushing at the healthcare rallies two August's ago? Gabby Giffords was shot. It's wrong. You can't think otherwise, do you?

you are the one who has said that i do not think its wrong. I have never even remotely said that it was a - okay. I just dont think the man needs to be arrested.

its a real concern that kids these days turn to guns to solve problems. Its a real concern that normal teenage fistfights now turn into murders. Its a real concern that Obama thinks its okay to illegally detain or kill american citizens without seperation of powers. It is a real concern that we have two political parties in which neither party cares about the american people.. all they want to do is wage hate between everyone.

The old man was wrong. He was stupid. I just dont think there should be any real concern to have him locked up.

Riot · #10 07-06-2012, 04:56 PM

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The old man was wrong. He was stupid. I just dont think there should be any real concern to have him locked up.

I'm saying, at what point do we hold people responsible for their actions? Especially when today's political discourse is getting so physically violent?

Don't jump to the conclusion that he will be found guilty and jailed for it.

If it were me, yes, after I turned and elbowed him in the face to defend myself (that would have happened after he poured the liquid in my mouth), when he came back again and shoved a cloth in my mouth I would have definitely filed charges against this bully.

This is a guy that needs to have a judge point out to him that physically assaulting other citizens who don't agree with his political views isn't permitted in this country.

I admire his victim, for totally ignoring the bully's two attacks. I couldn't have done that.

Antitrust32 · #11 07-06-2012, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Riot

Watching you excuse such violence with anger and insult is telling. I'll remember that you don't think it's wrong for strangers to come up to you in public, and shove water and a hanky in your mouth to shut you up, if they don't like what you are saying.

to respond to your 6th different edit.

Yeah, I've made it perfectly clear that I dont think it's wrong

because, like I never said the guy should apologize or anything like that.

I guess thinking a 77 year old man who made a stupid brain fart error should NOT get locked up makes me such a bad person with questionable morals.

Riot · #12 07-06-2012, 04:45 PM

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to respond to your 6th different edit.

Yeah, I've made it perfectly clear that I dont think it's wrong

because, like I never said the guy should apologize or anything like that.

I guess thinking a 77 year old man who made a stupid brain fart error should NOT get locked up makes me such a bad person with questionable morals.

At what age does physically assaulting those at a political rally who disagree with your views become "wrong" if it's okay to attack people when you are 77? When you're 60? 50?

Antitrust32 · #13 07-06-2012, 04:53 PM

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At what age does physically assaulting those at a political rally who disagree with your views become "wrong" if it's okay to attack people when you are 77? When you're 60? 50?

right from the start i said the mans actions were wrong.

If you want to keep being manipulative and fucl<ing gay, go right now at it.

You really have no perspective on things do you? I think in your mind a bitc.h slap is on equal level with attacking someone with a machete.

Riot · #14 07-06-2012, 04:59 PM

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right from the start i said the mans actions were wrong.

If you want to keep being manipulative and fucl<ing gay, go right now at it.

You really have no perspective on things do you? I think in your mind a bitc.h slap is on equal level with attacking someone with a machete.

Funny seeing you use "fuc.king gay" as a slur. Pathetic.

And no - it's pretty clear, from what I've posted here, that I am talking about bullying and violence at political rallies. Stop with the hyperbole.

And yeah - I don't think you should be permitted to "bitch slap" people at political rallies, because you don't like their politics.

Antitrust32 · #15 07-06-2012, 05:04 PM

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And no - it's pretty clear, from what I've posted here, that I am talking about bullying and violence at political rallies. .

silly me for talking about the actual incident that has been posted about in this thread.

Sorry I'm not on your level, good Doctor.

have a wonderful weekend

bigrun · #16 07-06-2012, 04:29 PM

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so some guy who is old as dirt put water and a hanky in someones mouth and this deserves a thread?

I take exception to that remark//

Antitrust32 · #17 07-06-2012, 04:34 PM

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I take exception to that remark//

I'm sorry

I meant.. "born before dirt was invented"

Antitrust32 · #18 07-06-2012, 04:38 PM

but then again, I prefer to use the police only when its absolutely necessary. Others, like some guy named Zimmerman, like to call the police on every thing that moves.

If the old man would have robbed me? yeah I would have called the police

If the old man had busted out a crowbar and broke my knees? yeah I would have called the police.

If he would have pulled a gun out and said that I am only allowed to support and listen to Romney? yeah I would have called the police.

If I called the police on everyone who tried to force me to shut up I would have a lot of family and friends with criminal records.

Riot · #19 07-06-2012, 04:41 PM

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If I called the police on everyone who tried to force me to shut up I would have a lot of family and friends with criminal records.

If your family and friends do things to you physically to "force" you to shut up, you need new family and friends, girl.

I'm sure you agree that political protests should not get physically violent - right? Let alone one person ridiculously using "freedom of speech" as an argument to justify his physical bullying to shut up those with differing opinions!

Antitrust32 · #20 07-06-2012, 04:43 PM

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If your family and friends do things to you physically to "force" you to shut up, you need new family and friends, girl.

so when i was 17 or 18 and would tell my mom "fucl< you" and she would smack me in my mouth to shut me up.... i should have had my mother arrested for sure.