Frankel

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Godolphin (Sahkee) and Coolmore (Galileo) both took shots at the 2001 BC Classic. Sahkee nearly took down the whole thing. Galileo split the field. All in all, not a bad performance.

Especially since Godolphin and Coolmore ran 1-2 in the BC Turf with other horses on the same card, some 6 lengths clear of any American-based rival.

They've already said they won't waste their time bringing Frankel over for the BC Mile. Basically only track configuration/post position could get him beat. It's a longshot, but hopefully, they go beyond his "craft" and actually broaden his horizons at some point.

They are supposedly looking at a 10f race next time out. I think the POW on 7/7.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

They are supposedly looking at a 10f race next time out. I think the POW on 7/7.

The Prince of Wales's was today, you're thinking of the Eclipse. So You Think won. Not sure why they haven't taken on that horse yet. So You Think only has one more scheduled start before retiring, that being the Eclipse. So I'm guessing Frankel will conveniently opt for the 8f Sussex instead.

Maybe he'll stretch out at the end of the year in the Champion Stakes. Of course, they run the 8f Queen Elizabeth on the same day, so if he's still unbeaten at that point it won't be surprising to see another cop out.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The Prince of Wales's was today, you're thinking of the Eclipse. So You Think won. Not sure why they haven't taken on that horse yet. So You Think only has one more scheduled start before retiring, that being the Eclipse. So I'm guessing Frankel will conveniently opt for the 8f Sussex instead.

Maybe he'll stretch out at the end of the year in the Champion Stakes. Of course, they run the 8f Queen Elizabeth on the same day, so if he's still unbeaten at that point it won't be surprising to see another cop out.

Yeah, I got confused on the race names. Your predictions are most likely accurate too.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

The Prince of Wales's was today, you're thinking of the Eclipse. So You Think won. Not sure why they haven't taken on that horse yet. So You Think only has one more scheduled start before retiring, that being the Eclipse. So I'm guessing Frankel will conveniently opt for the 8f Sussex instead.

Maybe he'll stretch out at the end of the year in the Champion Stakes. Of course, they run the 8f Queen Elizabeth on the same day, so if he's still unbeaten at that point it won't be surprising to see another cop out.

Sounds sporting. And likely.

[gamblin4ever]

Instead of the Classic, I would like to see Cecil bring him for the 11/2mi Turf. He gets the stretch out and stays on Turf.

[King Glorious]

If they were to try 12f, I'd rather it be the Arc.

[Cannon Shell]

Frankel very talented horse

but I dont follow European racing close enough to really rate him accurately plus when it seems every year there is a new "greatest horse ever" coming out of Europe it kind of tempers one enthusiam a bit.

Timeform numbers are pretty accurate considering timing of races there is kind of a joke but I don't know that sometimes hype doesn't affect those numbers a bit

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Timeform numbers are pretty accurate considering timing of races there is kind of a joke but I don't know that sometimes hype doesn't affect those numbers a bit

It does.

If you study Harbinger's best race (140) VS Frankel's (147) you'll see true absurdity.

Harbinger was undefeated at age 4 and had four Group wins that season -- in his 140 in the King George he won by 11 lengths.

* Second place finisher Cape Blanco was a 5-time Group 1 winner and came here and dominated our turf divison.

* Third place finisher Youmzain (beaten 14+ lengths) made over $5.3 million in earnings and was twice 2nd in the Arc.

* 4th place finisher Daraykana (beaten 15 lengths) was a Group 1 winner and had just been beaten a neck in Group 1 last out.

* 5th place finisher Workforce (Beaten 17 lengths) won the Arc next time out and had won the English Derby earlier in the year.

He also ran 5.41 full seconds faster (or about 33 full lengths) than the winner of the very next race on the same day at the same distance.

This all happened under perfect weather conditions and ground just like Frankel's win.

Both races were tremendously fast -- clearly the two fastest turf races I've ever seen that were clean (had a companion race to compare against on the same card and distance) 147 VS 140 would not jive on an American style figure. It's nonsense fueled by reputation of the winner.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

If they were to try 12f, I'd rather it be the Arc.

IMO they will never even consider 1 1/2. Anywhere.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

IMO they will never even consider 1 1/2. Anywhere.

I don't think so either. Just saying that I'd prefer the Arc over the BC Turf if they were going to chose to try it. And when it comes to wanting to see the horse step out of his comfort zone, I'd rather see him stretched to 10f versus good European horses than ship over here to try the BC Mile or Classic. I would like to see him stretched out. While he's brilliant and fun to watch, watching the same race over and over is starting to get a little boring. Right now, I still have to place him below recent stars Zarkava and Sea the Stars because they were able to win top class races at both 8f and 12f. Not saying he can't do it but they've proven it.