A great day for the sport.

[10 pnt move up]

"but they are hopeless against a 15-to-20% takeout"

Ya gotta be pretty good to beat that take. I don't know much about handicapping but what little I do know usually impresses casual people, they always ask if I make money (not really) and basically all I could do is beat the take, imagine getting another 15-20% on top of the take to make money, very difficult to do.