I'll Have Another's value as a stallion if he sweeps the Triple Crown

[Calzone Lord]

Tiznow was a two time Breeders Cup Classic winner who had a brother finish 2nd in the BC Classic. His dam dropped 4 stakes winners. He was a very good performer and ran a 119 Beyer in the Goodwood at 9 furlongs as a 3-year-old.

Tapit's dam was a sister to champion sprinter Rubiano.

A $75,000 stud fee for I'll Have Another is insanity. There are 10 to 15 horses from this crop who will make better stallions. He's an OBS cheapie like Silver Charm and Skip Away.

[slotdirt]

I'm interested in hearing about the stallion prospects of other OBS sales grads of recent vintage like Flat Out, Giant Ryan, Aikenite, and Midnight Lute.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I'm interested in hearing about the stallion prospects of other OBS sales grads of recent vintage like Flat Out, Giant Ryan, Aikenite, and Midnight Lute.

I don't like the chances of any of them.

The dam of Aikenite was a real runner:




Aikenite was the Lebron James of the OBS 2-year-old sales in 2009. He worked a sales best quarter mile in 20.40 and had an absolutely huge stride.

He only sold for $225,000 -- but when you consider he was sired by Yes It's True and his dam was that rat pictured above ... you could better understand why.

Hard to believe he paid $15.40 when he won his debut at Saratoga -- and Serling even relayed all of the info before the race.

Aikenite made 866K and was a multiple Graded Stakes winner, 4th in last years BC Sprint. However, his one major flaw that was not apparent at OBS was his lack of gate speed and slowness into stride.

They get a run-up start at OBS -- and hit peak speed at the start of the work. If Aikenite had gate speed -- he would have been Fabulous Strike 2.0

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

There are 10 to 15 horses from this crop who will make better stallions. He's an OBS cheapie.

You may be correct, but my question is how much does the fact that he actually worked well at the sale and then led gate-to-wire in his debut going 5.5f in July of his 2yo year alleviate some of the concerns raised by the fact that he was an "OBS cheapie?" You mentioned Skip Away as a comparison but (unlike IHA) Skip Away was pretty useless in his sprint tries as a 2yo. He didn't do anything until they stretched him out to 8f, and he really wasn't much of a horse until they stretched him out to 9f.
If a slower-developing colt with limited speed won the TC, it would obviously be a bad sign for his success as a sire regardless of his racetrack accomplishments. But does IHA really fit that bill?

[Calzone Lord]

Past major Grade 1 winning males from OBS 2-year-old sales:

Lil E Tee (Kentucky Derby winner)

Favorite Trick (Horse of the year 2yo)

Skip Away (Hall of Famer)

Silver Charm (Hall of Famer)

Marlin (Multiple Grade 1 winner)

Buck's Boy (Breeders Cup Turf)

Precocity (Grade 1 winner)

Val's Prince (Multiple Grade 1 winner)

Yankee Victor (Met Mile winner)

City Zip and Flame Thrower (Best 2yo sprinters of season - Flame Thrower repeatedly beat Street Cry and City Zip swept all 3 Graded Stakes for 2yos at Saratoga)

Swept Overboard (Multiple Grade 1 winner - Met Mile winner)

Delaware Township (Top class Grade 1 winning sprinter)

Outofthebox (Grade 1 winner -- solid message board poster)

D'Wildcat (Grade 1 winning sprinter)

Booklet (Grade 1 winner)

Peace Rules (Multiple Grade 1 winner)

Southern Image (Multiple Grade 1 winner)

Kitten's Joy (Multiple Grade 1 winner)

Proud Accolade (Grade 1 winner)

Nothing to Lose (Grade 1 winner)

Roses In May (Dubai World Cup winner, 2nd in BC Classic)

Lost In The Fog (Grade 1 winner)

Bellamy Road (Grade 1 winner and KY Derby favorite)

Buzzards Bay (Grade 1 winner)

Captain Squire (Grade 1 winner)

Premium Tap (Grade 1 winner)

Midnight Lute (Back to Back Breeders Cup Sprint winner)

Flashy Bull (Grade 1 winner)

The rest are all 2008 or recent.

[Merlinsky]

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...m-triple-crown

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

buzzards bay..lol..havent heard that one in a wile..

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-raci...m-triple-crown

Collectively, they estimate I’ll Have Another’s breeding rights are worth between $6 million to $10 million and that he could stand during his first year between $15,000 and $30,000.

$6 to $10 million is a little closer to being in-line with reality.

Hopefully the horse stays around.