Horse of the World

[Indian Charlie]

Gentlemen was a freak of nature on both turf and dirt.

Greinton kicked ass on both surfaces too.

John Henry could run a little on both.

I felt that Lady's Secret would have been a monster on turf.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Gentlemen was a freak of nature on both turf and dirt.

Greinton kicked ass on both surfaces too.

John Henry could run a little on both.

I felt that Lady's Secret would have been a monster on turf.

Loved Greinton, but he came up short in the Arlington Million and BC Turf, although he was closing on Teleprompter in the Turf.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

Loved Greinton, but he came up short in the Arlington Million and BC Turf, although he was closing on Teleprompter in the Turf.

I know the track surfaces were insanely fast in Socal around the mid 80s, but in the span of three races, he went a mile on dirt in 132.3, 10f on dirt in 158.2 and then a tough second going 12f on Turf in 225.4. In his next start, he was flying late at Teleprompter in the Arlington Million in what might have been the only ride I ever complained about from Pincay.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

I know the track surfaces were insanely fast in Socal around the mid 80s, but in the span of three races, he went a mile on dirt in 132.3, 10f on dirt in 158.2 and then a tough second going 12f on Turf in 225.4. In his next start, he was flying late at Teleprompter in the Arlington Million in what might have been the only ride I ever complained about from Pincay.

My mistake. I meant closing on Teleprompter in the Million.

Finishing second to Zoffany (I think) in that Sunset Hcp cost Greinton a big bonus.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

My mistake. I meant closing on Teleprompter in the Million.

Finishing second to Zoffany (I think) in that Sunset Hcp cost Greinton a big bonus.

King's Island.

[pmayjr]

Awesome thread! Seriously fun to read about and speculate. Eventhough they've failed miserably trying this in the past year, you can argue the Coolmores have tried with both Daddy Long Legs and So You Think

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by pmayjr

Awesome thread! Seriously fun to read about and speculate. Eventhough they've failed miserably trying this in the past year, you can argue the Coolmores have tried with both Daddy Long Legs and So You Think

Coolmore has failed here with a great many superstar Euro turf horses.

Frankel's sire Galileo was an absolute monster on the turf in Europe -- at least he sort of fired here on the dirt ...



Fantastic Light nipped him in the Irish Champions and crushed the field in the BC Turf that year.

A lot of the Coolmore's performed disastrously on dirt. Dylan Thomas (Arc winner) got beat about 45 lengths by Bernardini in the Jockey Club Gold Cup without a visible excuse. Hawk Wing was miserable, etc etc.

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

King's Island.

I'm on a roll.

[Alabama Stakes]

me thinks that Beyer was really generous with some of those outrageous numbers some of those guys were given. Either that or he has gotton very stingy with age. Kind of forgot how good Azeri was, Holy Bull too.